skylightron
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Is there much Roland influences within X1?
Since Roland acquired Cakewalk a few years back, I wonder if there's been some influences and trademarks within the software. Do any of you also consider Sonar X1 being a Roland DAW?
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/06 20:08:34
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Cakewalk themselves have said that since Roland is the major shareholder (not owner) it (Cakewalk) remains an independent entity, guiding its own direction, whilst coming under the Roland banner.
I don't see any change that I could reasonably assume as an outsider to be directly connected with the restructuring of the Cakewalk business. Perhaps Twelve Tone Systems has ceased to operate, that being the former umbrella under which the cakewalk brand existed.
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/06 20:23:14
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V-Vocal is Roland technology. TTs-1 is also so ithe Croove Synth. CW and Roland have been strong partners for a very long time.
One could make a case that without Roland there would be no CW. Roland helped create MIDI.
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/06 22:41:34
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I do not think there is Roland influence per se, but the investment has allowed an even tighter coupling than previously between the two companies...and that is a good thing.... I have invested heavily into past Roland gear, RD700GX, Juno G, fantom G and not all of it works particularly well with a DAW.. the more modern synths such as Juno Gi and Jupiter 80, both created since the acquisition, have a much improved DAW control interface..
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Beagle
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/06 22:44:53
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John
V-Vocal is Roland technology. TTs-1 is also so ithe Croove Synth. CW and Roland have been strong partners for a very long time.
One could make a case that without Roland there would be no CW. Roland helped create MIDI.
yes, but v-vocal, TTS-1 and Groove Synth were long part of sonar before Roland became cake's "owners" Roland has been partnered with cake for many years before they bought the majority stock in the company.
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/06 23:44:55
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I wonder Beagle if you read my post because you are saying much the same thing in much the same way. I guess thats a good thing.
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/07 10:26:11
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Whatever influence Roland has PLEASE make certain Roland never gets near any published documentation for Sonar. Roland manuals are the absolute worst in the industry. I remember my JV-1080 manual. It took a degree in CS to figure it out. Just a friendly suggestion.
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/07 10:58:17
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John
I wonder Beagle if you read my post because you are saying much the same thing in much the same way. I guess thats a good thing.
I guess I need to stay off the X1 forum. I seem to be doing nothing but pissing people off. I thought I was clarifying something. forgive me.
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/07 11:54:41
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I agree, Roland manuals are suck !!
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/07 12:01:13
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Beagle
John
I wonder Beagle if you read my post because you are saying much the same thing in much the same way. I guess thats a good thing.
I guess I need to stay off the X1 forum. I seem to be doing nothing but pissing people off.
I thought I was clarifying something. forgive me.
Beagle, I say keep pi$$ing people off posting here there and everywhere.  FTR, I don't really care if there is Roland influence or not. The SONAH X1 is all crash in the loudspekah (in a good boy way).
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/09 11:40:58
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Well, I am a V-Studio 700 user and the integration of Sonar and the V-Studio is excellent, so there was obviously some strong interaction there.
On the negative side, Roland and Cakewalk are not acting like a unified company in some ways. Example: I am having an issue that could be Sonar or could be the V-Studio I/O. Best guess is it is an I/O driver problem. Cakewalk says, "Hey, we just have a small support staff and we think that is a Roland issue." In the meantime, I am living with a major productivity killer.
What I would expect is for Cakewalk to contact Roland, figure out if the root cause is Sonar or Roland, and then come back with an answer. This isn't happening. It shouldn't be up to me to prove whether the issue is hardware, software, firmware in the hardware, drivers, or some combination.
The Cakewalk guys are great people and this is not an insult to them: it just seems like this aspect hasn't been worked out right and the two companies don't yet know how to play nice together.
For the record, I am a long time Roland user (many keyboards, modules, VS recorders, etc.). I have always thought Roland gear had great sound but was not user-friendly at all. I find the V-Studio easy to use so if Roland can get the support thing happening, it will all be good.
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/09 13:35:07
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I once had a Promise Raid card wich caused all kinds of issues in my 7000 dollar system. I blamed everyone. Then ditched the system bought a Athlon dualcore and was a happy camper with my now 2000 dollar system..
A year ago I got hold of a old digidesign manual. In that manual that Promise TX4 card was discribed of being responsible for some major issues... For a long time and overlooked by systembuilders and digidesign. It's still good practice to use a "approved system"...
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/09 13:46:00
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Muziekschuur at home, I am not 100% I understand what you are saying. The V-Studio and Sonar X1 are made by the same people and are supposed to work together. Am I missing something?
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Beagle
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Re:Is there much Roland influences within X1?
2012/07/09 16:58:53
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cakewalk has a VS integration and product manager. if roland won't help then I would suggest you contact the cake manager in charge of the VS line. you can find her name on the VS-700 forum - send her a PM.
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