Soundtreating with scrap material...

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2012/07/08 14:21:43 (permalink)

Soundtreating with scrap material...

So in my garage I have about 20-30 square feet of Roxall Sound insulation, two old doors (hollow), a bunch of old solid wood kitchen cabinet doors (varying sizes), a stack of 8 foot 1x4" lengths of lumber, a half roll of rubber under padding for laminate flooring, a half roll of construction grade vapor barrier and 5 2x4' panels of thick acoustic ceiling tiles (the kind you'd use in a suspended ceiling in an office or something). Eventually I'll likely have another dozen of the ceiling tiles (pulling out a ceiling). All this stuff is new but it's not going to get used if I don't figure out what to do with it. I was wondering if I could use this stuff for baffling and sound treatment in my new place. Got any ideas? Happy Sunday, all.
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    craigb
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 16:08:46 (permalink)
    I smell a Frankenstudio on the horizon...  LOL!

     
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 16:25:02 (permalink)
    You know it. :-D
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 16:30:46 (permalink)
    Actually I'm curious about these so called "bass traps" you guys talk about frequently. Any good references as to how I'd build me some of those and how they are implemented properly? With the doors I think I'm gonna try to make a vocal booth type thing. With the cabinet doors I may try to build an insulated box to put over my amp so I can crank it with having the cops called on me. Stuff like that yanno? I'm just not sure if these materials (mostly the ceiling tiles and the Roxall) are suitable for this type of thing. I also don't know what the proper dimension would be. Wish I could afford that ARC program or knew someone how had it that could pop by and run it. I guess I need one of those fancy mics that picks up room features too.
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 16:51:44 (permalink)
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    Actually I'm curious about these so called "bass traps" you guys talk about frequently. Any good references as to how I'd build me some of those and how they are implemented properly? 
    I've found that putting a cheap bottle of beer in the middle of a large bear trap works well.
     
    Oh, sorry.  I thought you said bass player traps.  My bad.


     
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 16:53:30 (permalink)
    I thought bapu didn't drink...
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 17:14:39 (permalink)
    Don't know if that could be squeezed in your budget, but you can grab ARC for $179 at Audio Deluxe. 

    Simple things like bookshelves (w/ books in it obviously) can help. Me, I've learned to use and recycle any and everything to at least help improve the acoustics of the rooms I have to work in. My next challenge is to improvise a "vocal booth" w/ what we have here, to record some vocals for a project my wife is working on.

    Ultimately, what you can or should do for treatment depends on the room you're working in. Shape, ceiling height, etc... There isn't really a formula.

    You may want to grab a copy of Mike Senior's "Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio" - available on kindle reader for pocket change. It may give you a hint on finding what you should focus on - and therefore, how you could use what you have at your disposal.



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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 17:21:17 (permalink)
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    I thought bapu didn't drink...


    Try an "I  My Alembic!" button for him.

     
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 17:21:54 (permalink)
    Thanks, rain. I'll check it out. I actually thought ARC was around $500. At $179 it's still out of my price range for the moment but it's definitely something I'd like in my arsenal. BTW old doors are pretty easy to come by. Like I said I intend on using some for my booth. Just gonna hinge three of them together and maybe put a sound blanket over top and on the "entrance" to the booth. I figure that should do the trick. Cheers.
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 18:03:16 (permalink)
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    Thanks, rain. I'll check it out. I actually thought ARC was around $500. At $179 it's still out of my price range for the moment but it's definitely something I'd like in my arsenal. BTW old doors are pretty easy to come by. Like I said I intend on using some for my booth. Just gonna hinge three of them together and maybe put a sound blanket over top and on the "entrance" to the booth. I figure that should do the trick. Cheers.



    I used to do something similar w/ my japanese shoji screens - just throw a bunch of blankets over them. Bam, instant "vocal booth" (of course, they just absorb some reflexions a bit, they don't really isolate or deaden anything all that much).





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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 18:07:22 (permalink)
    Moving blankets over a portable laundry rack and/or an oriental room divider were my gobos.  It adds that classy "under construction" look to your work too... 

     
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 18:14:59 (permalink)
    I was thinking of covering the doors with the rubber flooring underlay, then the acoustic tiles and then if I could score some of that egg carton studio foam stuff putting that over top. I could even drill strategic holes in the hollow doors and fill them up with expanding foam. Gotta be careful with that though... if you put too much in it can make the doors asplode and you also lose the air gap which is supposedly a good sound barrier as it is (traps the sound waves or something).
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 20:15:44 (permalink)
    Get yersef a big 'ol bapu and put him in the room.

    He absorbs all unwanted sounds freds.
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 20:32:59 (permalink)
    bapu


    Get yersef a big 'ol bapu and put him in the room.

    He absorbs all unwanted sounds freds.


    Plus you'll get that interesting moobverb effect!

     
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 20:35:25 (permalink)
    He could be my bass slave. I don't have to diaper him do I?
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 20:41:22 (permalink)
    I watched a Tom Petty documentary awhile back, and there was a scene where the Traveling Wilburys were recording vocals at Dylan's house in his home studio. They had moving blankets and old quilts strung over clotheslines in the garage and there was Petty, Jeff Lynne, George Harrison, Roy Orbison and Dylan doing those great harmonies straight to tape. 

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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 20:51:10 (permalink)
    Yeah man. I'm all over that action. hmm... I should really start looking into where to acquire old moving blankets. That "film black" material they use on film stages is awesome too. Wonder if I could find some of that.
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 23:57:17 (permalink)
    Do yourself a favor and before you spend $179 on ARC, spend twenty bucks on this first.


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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/08 23:59:39 (permalink)
    Thanks for that link, Bit.

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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 00:45:33 (permalink)
    Have I told you lately how awesome you are, bitflipper? Because you're awesome.
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 07:51:42 (permalink)
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    So in my garage I have about 20-30 square feet of Roxall Sound insulation, two old doors (hollow), a bunch of old solid wood kitchen cabinet doors (varying sizes), a stack of 8 foot 1x4" lengths of lumber, a half roll of rubber under padding for laminate flooring, a half roll of construction grade vapor barrier and 5 2x4' panels of thick acoustic ceiling tiles


    This sounds like a job for the A-Team...

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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 14:01:15 (permalink)
    hahaha... noice.
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 19:09:01 (permalink)
    Man, I don't know what to say. lol. Do you beleive form follows function? The science of room correction and creating an environment condusive to recording a clean project is enough to make you take a nap. There's no way to know what the results will be with varied materials. You almost have to play Marco-Polo in the room where you want to record and work on it from there. You have outside noise, inside reflection, unknown equipment, ( no don't list it), and the player variable. If you're using a DAW such as Sonar, I'm an advocate of a totally dead room. Unless you've got booku bucks to spend on rooms and treatments. Any thing less than a dead room will show up on a recording. 

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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 19:41:27 (permalink)
    @Crg... Well this is actually more for listening/mixing purposes (aside from vocal stuff and some acoustic guitar work) and sadly a completely dead room is impossible. Just thought I could use some of this extra crap I have to help deaden things a little. Unless you MEANT for listening/mixing. In which case I'm stuck with what I can jury rig into whatever space I end up with and my own ears. If someone really wants to buy a piece of my work for commercial purposes then I'd make sure it went somewhere pro for the final mix/master and either eat the cost or put it into the final price. Not anywhere near that point yet though. lol... Cheers.
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 19:50:48 (permalink)
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    @Crg... Well this is actually more for listening/mixing purposes (aside from vocal stuff and some acoustic guitar work) and sadly a completely dead room is impossible. Just thought I could use some of this extra crap I have to help deaden things a little. Unless you MEANT for listening/mixing. In which case I'm stuck with what I can jury rig into whatever space I end up with and my own ears. If someone really wants to buy a piece of my work for commercial purposes then I'd make sure it went somewhere pro for the final mix/master and either eat the cost or put it into the final price. Not anywhere near that point yet though. lol... Cheers.


    I'm sorry to have to tell you, you can't hide room noise. Or machine noise. We tune so much noise out in our day to day existance that we don't even realize it. The microphone doesn't.

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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 19:53:55 (permalink)
    Repetive noises can be tuned out in the mix of course - if you can get a recording just of the noise that is.  Then you just flip its phase and it should cancel out the noise.  That's how those headphones work.

    HTH

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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 21:06:52 (permalink)
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    Bapu can be tuned out in the mix of course - if you can get a recording just of Bapu that is.  Then you just flip its phase and it should cancel out the bapu.  That's how those headphones work.

    HTH

    YMMV

    It's been tried. Dinnit work. I just shifted frequencies.
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 22:26:13 (permalink)
    I certainly understand I won't be capable of anything resembling big studio production values but ya gotta work with what you got, eh? I figure any little thing I can do to help make the situation slightly better is a bonus and it's also fun and educational to look at how things are done properly. Then one day if I ever do strike it rich I'll have a general idea of what to do. I guess in the grand scheme of things although I do aspire to make a living off my music I would most certainly fall under the category of "hobbyist". If I can get my ideas to "tape" and make it sound reasonable after the fact that's all I care about. If someone wants to start paying me then I'll drop the money back into making things more proper. For now I'll just learn and grow and chip away at this massive stone that is audio production. Cheers!
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    Re:Soundtreating with scrap material... 2012/07/09 23:38:34 (permalink)
    Funny.

    When I read the title I read it as:

    Soundtreating with scrap metal...

    That's what The CHB does.
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