john6448
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X1 and Kontakt
Taking advantage of the summer sale I just got my first version of Kontakt. I'm using the opportunity to revisit my work flow. I do orchestral arrangements, and I want to get a template set up to reflect the seating arrangement of various sections of the orchestra. I'm looking for advice on whether to set panning and depth on my Sonar tracks or to do it in my Kontakt instances. To this point using GPO4 I have set panning and field depth in the ARIA player and left my Sonar tracks centered. Should I do the same in Kontakt?
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/12 16:50:02
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Set the pan in SONAR X1 or use the included Channel Tools from X1 to set placement of the different Orchestral instruments. Violins Leftside and so on. Here you have Classic placement of the Orchestra to follow. 
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/12 16:51:21
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/13 00:57:27
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This is a great thread. I'm going to bookmark this one. I have Kontakt as well and will chip in when I have appropriate comments. Sonar X1 is awesome, and it's a pleasure to have Kontakt as a resource.
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/13 06:23:23
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You should get Vienna Ensemble Pro 5/MIR PRO. I use it within Sonar and you can even run your Kontakt inside. Nothing better for orchestral mixing. Perfect when arranged like above. :) Great job!
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paulhcp
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/13 09:04:41
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I recently got Kontakt 5 and have not used it much yet...and then I figured out much after my post..............love it.
post edited by paulhcp - 2012/07/13 21:55:09
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/13 09:54:58
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sorry about the off topic post but, I was also wondering what people think of the Alicia keys piano as compared with others mentioned on this fourm? The piano on my Yamaha S90 and kurzweil micro piano sound good to me...I question weather software sounds better then these.
post edited by paulhcp - 2012/07/13 11:07:57
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lowdown
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/13 10:07:48
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Traditional Orchestras have the Basses placed to the right [Looking at the stage]
But not always a good Idea with Midi Orchestrations.
You might need to experiment with the Bass placement side of things.
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/13 10:12:31
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lowdown
Traditional Orchestras have the Basses placed to the right [Looking at the stage]
But not always a good Idea with Midi Orchestrations.
Why is that?
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/13 10:23:20
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Well your mix might sound a bit lop sided.
Like I said above - You might need to experiment.
Garry
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/13 11:43:10
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lowdown
Well your mix might sound a bit lop sided.
Like I said above - You might need to experiment.
Garry
Oh I see what you mean...yeah I can see where if one were to pan any of the instruments all left or right it wouldn't sound natural.
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/14 02:40:17
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I'd say it depends on your preferences. Sonar is easier to automate. But I'll assume you're not planning to have your clarinet floating all over the stage :)
I'd say Kontakt just because it can all be saved as part of your Multi, so you can load it up and be ready to go with your standard orchestral template regardless of what else is in your project. But dragging a template from the browser would do the same if you made a Sonar template. Really, it's just how you want to work.
Sorry, guess that's probably not very helpful :)
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john6448
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/27 12:54:20
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OK, I was able recently to upgrade to Cinematic Strings 2 and have set it up in Sonar X1 as a Kontakt instance. The panning part of my question has been answered. I'm still trying to figure out the depth part though, and I also would like to address stereo field width for each instrument. So first, given that I have each of the string sections with it's own midi and audio tracks, I want to set up each with it's own depth (I assume through audio track reverb within Sonar?) and stereo width (not sure how to do this, GPO had a tool to adjust midpoint and width but I don't see anything like this in Kontakt, in which I'm a newbie, or CS2). A little instruction from experienced hands is welcome. By the way, I'm LOVING Cinematic Strings. *** While waiting for responses, I did a little more digging and found some information about the Stereo Modeller fx available in Kontakt and using reverb to create spatial depth for orchestral instruments. I'm still open to input from users here.
post edited by john6448 - 2012/07/27 13:41:27
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Re:X1 and Kontakt
2012/07/27 21:04:36
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john6448
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While waiting for responses, I did a little more digging and found some information about the Stereo Modeller fx available in Kontakt and using reverb to create spatial depth for orchestral instruments. I'm still open to input from users here.
John6448: I recently watched the Groove3 video tutorial on midi orchestration by Ed Krantzberg. In it, he had a section on creating spacial depth in orchestra placement by using this reverb technique. It really does not provide a great deal more information than in the link you provide, but it confirms that this is how Ed handles spatial depth of different orchestra instruments. Hope this helps with some confirmation of technique.
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