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2012/07/13 10:11:57 (permalink)

cleaning mixer

I've opened up my mixer and cleaned all the gain pots and faders with this stuff:
http://www.fullcompass.com/common/files/5337-ds-f5s-h6.pdf


The instructions on the can say to wait 2 minutes before powering on.

It's been quite a while and things still appear wet.

Am I missing something with these electronic cleaners?
Are they not conductive or something ?

Can I turn it on?

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    Karyn
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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 10:18:14 (permalink)
    Yeah,  it's fine to switch on.

    You're waiting a minute or so for the propelant (which will be highly flamable) to evaporate.  You're then left with a thin oil film which will clean and lubricate the switch/pot contacts.

    It's perfectly safe...



















    ... unless there's still propelant and the mains switch gives off a huge spark...

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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 10:27:29 (permalink)
    I stopped using stuff like this many years ago.

    There are many reasons.

    1) Most new gear simply isn't made to be cleaned and lubed with this stuff... especially the cheap "sealed" pots.  It seems like you were lucky or smart enough to have selected a product that doesn't actually melt and ruin the parts... which is something that can easily happen with the newer plastic housed parts. I've done that... and once was enough. :-)

    2) Many times introducing lube to older units, the ones that are designed to be serviced, simply initiates a scenario where the lube attracts even more dirt and grime than was there originally... and then the noise slowly gets worse than it was before cleaning. The situation is like a cat chaing it's tail.

    3) I have found that vigorously moving the fader or pot for an extended period of time is the most effective way to reduce and minimize the instances where movement causes noise.


    Having said that, and I regret having such a contrary attitude for the situation you find your self in, I'd say that the "wetness" you are observing is simply the oily slime mess left by the mineral spirits listed as the vehicle in that clean and lube product. I suspect, but can't guaranty, that you can power up safely after just a few minutes just as the instruction claim.

    The oily slime left by the mineral spirits will attract dirt and dust and eventually, if not sooner, you can consider cleaning it, or not, again.


    best regards,
    mike



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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 10:51:09 (permalink)
    Thanks Karyn and Mike.

    Yea Mike, I agree. Just that I have tried the 'turning the pots to clean them routine' (and did it for a long time). Still didn't do much. Same with my guitars. I don't know what to do about that now that I read your post. (they were next for the goop).

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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 10:53:34 (permalink)
    Sorry I didn't mention this but, what I'm concerned about is that the slime also got on the circuit boards.

    Still OK to power?

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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 10:55:51 (permalink)
    Yeah .... I agree with Mike. 

    If the cleaner does not evaporate totally and leave the surface dry, it will tend to attract more dirt and dust. If you think dust can not get into small sealed spaces, think again. 

    I use a contact cleaner on the pots in my amps and guitars. It is the kind that evaporates rapidly. I spray the pot and gently work it back and forth a few times. It makes the pots easy to turn and also eliminates the static and scratchyness from the sound. 

    I would consider cleaning those pots again with something that will remove the mineral oil left by the other cleaner.  That may be difficult to do but yeah... I would not want mineral oil on my pots collecting dust. 

    The cleaners that will dry quickly and leave no residue are also the kind that will do damage to wood  finishes and plastic parts so be careful.  My guitar amps are pretty bullet proof in that regard. 

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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 10:56:08 (permalink)
    Hi Tim,
     I grew up just a little bit north of where you live.

     The salt in the air, near the Atlantic coast with the day after day stiff sea breeze blowing it into the mainland, is really hard on electronics.

     All you can do is try to keep the stuff alive the best you can.

    all the best,
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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 10:56:42 (permalink)
    Tim is (allegedly) looking for smart people to chime in here.

    If I knew any I'd have them chime in.
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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 11:17:05 (permalink)
    ****

    That was an F word

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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 11:29:28 (permalink)
    Just a heads-up. I used "DeoxIT - D100" a few years ago on the knobs and faders of my acoustic 12 string. Since I prefer recording with a mic or two, I had nothing to lose. It's a good thing I didn't care too much about it, cause I deoxed it to death. Literally. I don't blame the product as it came highly recommended, but rather my generous application of the stuff. 
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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 18:20:06 (permalink)
    Turned it on. No smoke yet.

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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 18:58:17 (permalink)
    Tim,
     I've read the product description a few times and it does seem, but I am not sure about it, to be conductive. I imagine you chose it while aware that it is NOT a cleaner but merely a lubricant.

     In the future use as little of it as possible. A little lube goes a long long way where as a cleaner product might work very well with a liberal application.

     The amount of conductivity may be so low that there is no concern of arcing across a few millimeters of motherboard surface running 5 to 48 volt potentials.

     I'd be curious to know more about it.

     I am glad to learn that everything seems ok.


    best regards,
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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 19:21:18 (permalink)
    Mike, 

    I got it at guitar center. They had 2 varieties. I think the other one was for metal to metal or something. Anyway, The mixer works, the flying faders fly a little more quietly. Everything seems clean. 

    It does leave a mess that still hasn't evaporated (on the desk holding the mixer).

    I still don't understand how something liquid can be non-conductive? That's new to me.

    Most of my old amps and guitars and anything else with a pot have lots of scratching going on. 
    I just ignore/deal/wiggle with it.
    The mixer was sort of driving me nuts though.

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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/13 23:47:33 (permalink)
    It could be a silicone based lubricant that is suspended in a mild solvent. The solvent cleans and the lubricant does what it does. There are some solvents that go after certain plastics and can do some serious damage. Old TV tuner cleaning fluid for example has some very harsh solvents. Most modern pot and switch solvents are designed for modern plastics formulations.

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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/14 11:31:38 (permalink)
    You have to be careful with that stuff. I usually just use electronic cleaner made for computers which also cleaned the pots of my old amp and cleans the computer circuit boards also. Usually deoxit is a step up from the other but it costs more and I think it is more for projects to clean up the circuit boards someone may be soldering together.

     
     
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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/15 08:01:34 (permalink)
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    Mike, 

    I still don't understand how something liquid can be non-conductive? That's new to me.



    Hi Tim, FWIW the only conductive liquids are the conductive ones. :-) Some liquids hold conductive stuff in solution and others do not.

    Pure water, for example is not inherently conductive. Most examples of water DO have conductive materials such as minerals and salts in solution and so you can get shocked easily.

    I am not trying to emphasize that water isn't conductive as much as I am simply trying to offer an example of familiar liquid that isn't inherently conductive just because it is a liquid.


    Drewfx or Quantam can probably explain the actual chemistry or physics of how it works.




    Silicon products are interesting in this regard. Silicon can be formulated into molecules that are conductive or insulating. The chemist making the product will choose the appropriate form.

    I don't know that the product you bought has silicone in it... but the fact that the stuff will not go away does sort of suggest silicone. That stuff is PERSISTENT.


    I am glad to learn that your mixer is working better... It seems like you made the best choice for the circumstance. Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do to keep stuff working.


    all the best,
    mike



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    Re:cleaning mixer 2012/07/15 15:24:29 (permalink)
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    I still don't understand how something liquid can be non-conductive? That's new to me.

    Pure water is actually a pretty good insulator of electricity.  It only becomes a conductor when impurities are added to it....such as salts. Most water we are familiar with (tap, stream, pond, rain) has sufficient impurities to start with that it is dangerously conductive. 


    Voltage also plays a major role in how much current will flow with a given conductance.  Since most of the circuits we use these days are solid state to one degree or another, the voltages are in the 5 to 12 volt range and so there in not much electrical pressure or voltage to push the current across a slightly conductive substance. 


    For example..... lay your dry arm across a car battery terminals.... 12 vdc.... and you won't feel a thing. BUT.... do that when you have been working under the hood and your arm is covered in salty sweat, and it's a whole different story. 

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