16brae
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Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
Hello,
I am trying to record vocals on an audio track, but am having problems. I have connected a microphone to my mixer and my voice is coming through my monitor speakers just fine. I armed an audio track in sonar x1 but there is no activity in the meters and nothing gets recorded. It is a behringer c-3 microphone I am using, and I have got phantom power switched on in my mixer. I have recorded electric guitar before on a audio track without any problems, but sonar is not picking up my vocals in this case. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Mystic38
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/14 08:38:04
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if you can hear the mic you can record it... so the mic isnt the problem
run the gamut of:
check your audio preferences that you have the audio device selected
check your inputs that you have the correct input selected
hit input echo to check to see if you have input
go check cables, buttons, knobs, switches, drink more coffee even?.. its a setup issue.
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/14 09:23:42
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You have to trace to see where the signal is being lost.
If you armed an audio track and the meters aren't responding, then Sonar is not receiving the audio from the mixer or the Windows mixer may be muted or turned down. Check that.
How is the mixer connected to the computer? If its USB, check Windows Device Manager to make sure Windows has connected to the mixer. If its connected via an audio cable, try a different cable. Make sure its plugged in all the way.
Plug headphones into the mixer and make sure its receiving the signal from the mic. Make sure you have the mic channel on the mixer routed to the output on the mixer.
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Michael Five
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/14 15:32:13
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How is your mixer connected to sonar?
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/14 15:35:01
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also, there is a bug in X1 where the meters don't show any activity on an armed track, and won't until you disarm and re-arm the track for recording. I've never actually tried recording when that was happening, so I don't know if the whole signal path was hosed, which would cause your problem, or if it is just the meters. But that would be a one-click thing to try to see if it helps....
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/14 15:40:40
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We need a little more information from you. What kind of mixer and audio interface are you using? On the individual track in Sonar, have you chosen the correct input and output? Is your audio interface selected in Preferences? When you recorded your guitar, did you go through your mixer in the same manner as your vocal? If the answer to the last question is yes, then it's something minor you are overlooking. Consider what the others have said, and see if you don't figure this out on your own. If not, come back with some information.
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/14 19:48:52
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I'm guessing, and this is just a wild guess, that it has to do with your mixer not being connected to an audio interface and that audio interface not being set up in sonar properly. now this is just a guess..
Cj
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/15 05:34:17
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Michael Five
also, there is a bug in X1 where the meters don't show any activity on an armed track, and won't until you disarm and re-arm the track for recording. I've never actually tried recording when that was happening, so I don't know if the whole signal path was hosed, which would cause your problem, or if it is just the meters. But that would be a one-click thing to try to see if it helps....
What bug? I don't see this happening on my system - arm a track and the input meters instantly respond. To my mind, a 'bug' is something that is repeatable across many varied systems, and yours is the first post I've ever seen with this particular issue.
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/15 07:37:15
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I assume your mixer includes an audio interface, as you say you've recorded electric guitar successfully (??).
Please confirm: Are the connections/routing you use with your microphone exactly the same as when you do successfull guitar recordings?
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/15 14:16:04
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Yea, i would ignore the statement about that bug. As people using the same software would be seeing it, if it was a bug
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16brae
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/16 10:07:30
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Thanks to everyone who replied. The mixer I use is a Behringer MXB1002, I also use a Behringer 48 point patchbay model number PX2000. My sound card is a M- Audiophile 192. I today fitted an XLR Adapter to my microphone and plugged the microphone into the input socket on my boss gt-6 guitar fx processor, I then clicked on to sonar X1 opened my vocal track and armed it, and am getting a signal now no problem. I then tried plugging the microphone directly into one of the connections on my sound card the IN LEFT connection and again am getting a signal in sonor but a very weak one. With the first option plugging my microphone into the Boss GT-6, I am getting a strong signal and am going through the patchbay. With the second option I am bypassing the patchbay and going straight into the soundcard connection on the back of my computer. The first option is obviously amplified using the GT-6 which is why I am getting a stronger signal, the second option is not. Do I need to get some external amplifier, plug my microphone into it and then in turn plug the amplifier into my patchbay? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/16 10:36:35
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You already have several microphone pre-amps on your Behringer MXB1002
Use one of these.
Remove the XLR adapter you bought (I assume you bought this in order to connect to the 1/4" inputs of the Boss yes?) and take a line out from your mixer into the M-Audiophile.
Make sure nothing is going into the red at any point in your chain
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/16 21:15:13
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Microphones require a preamp. Most condenser microphones also require phantom power.
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/17 06:18:40
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Bristol_Jonesey
Michael Five
also, there is a bug in X1 where the meters don't show any activity on an armed track, and won't until you disarm and re-arm the track for recording. I've never actually tried recording when that was happening, so I don't know if the whole signal path was hosed, which would cause your problem, or if it is just the meters. But that would be a one-click thing to try to see if it helps....
What bug? I don't see this happening on my system - arm a track and the input meters instantly respond.
To my mind, a 'bug' is something that is repeatable across many varied systems, and yours is the first post I've ever seen with this particular issue.
I thought I had read some stuff here about problems with the meter displays and arming, but maybe not. Anyway, I went back and looked closer, and what's happening is that the meters don't work until I actually click on the sonar window -OR- disarm and rearm the track from my controller. Doing other things - including recording - from the controller doesn't seem to get them going. The underlying issues seems to be that they don't work until the Sonar window gains focus, because I see this problem in two places that actually are a minor pain to me - when I open a new project with an armed template, or when I click over to TotalMix to play with the fireface. This could be a windows/graphics setting somewhere, I guess, or a bug as well. I think I think of bugs a little differently, they can't always be reproduced on a lot of systems.
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/17 07:17:03
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16brae
Thanks to everyone who replied. The mixer I use is a Behringer MXB1002, I also use a Behringer 48 point patchbay model number PX2000. My sound card is a M- Audiophile 192. I today fitted an XLR Adapter to my microphone and plugged the microphone into the input socket on my boss gt-6 guitar fx processor, I then clicked on to sonar X1 opened my vocal track and armed it, and am getting a signal now no problem. I then tried plugging the microphone directly into one of the connections on my sound card the IN LEFT connection and again am getting a signal in sonor but a very weak one. With the first option plugging my microphone into the Boss GT-6, I am getting a strong signal and am going through the patchbay. With the second option I am bypassing the patchbay and going straight into the soundcard connection on the back of my computer. The first option is obviously amplified using the GT-6 which is why I am getting a stronger signal, the second option is not. Do I need to get some external amplifier, plug my microphone into it and then in turn plug the amplifier into my patchbay? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
You cannot plug a microphone into a line level input.. well, you can, but you will get exactly what you got.. a very weak signal.. a mic produced about 20-30dB less signal and so ALWAYS requires a pre-amp... It works on your Boss gtr processor because the signal level of a gtr pickup is similar to a microphone. You will be far better off finding a quality external usb audio interface with decent mic preamps..
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/17 08:40:24
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Mystic38
You cannot plug a microphone into a line level input.. well, you can, but you will get exactly what you got.. a very weak signal.. a mic produced about 20-30dB less signal and so ALWAYS requires a pre-amp... It works on your Boss gtr processor because the signal level of a gtr pickup is similar to a microphone.
You will be far better off finding a quality external usb audio interface with decent mic preamps..
C-3 is a condenser mic that requires phantom power which the MBX1002 mixer offers. The BOSS doesn't have phantom (??), so I'm surprised it works. If I read and understand correctly, the mixer has only stereo line out (says info "stereo output for recording applications" ), so I'm not sure how it fits the inputs of the Audiophile. It should work, shouldn't it?. If you are the only musician in your band, you don't need the mixer nor the patchbay. As mentioned above, a decent USB audio interface would make your life easier.
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/17 08:54:56
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Something like the Focusrite Saffire 6 would be perfect if it's just you.
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Re:Connecting a mirophone and recording on sonar x1 producer.
2012/07/17 22:09:07
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In Sonar set preferences to
share driver with other programs.
Then sound will play when Sonar doesn't have focus and Sonars meters will respond.
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