BlixYZ
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https://logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=80149 I have an engineer working in my studio- he's using his own macbookpro instead of my windows machines because Logic is his daw of choice. (i have it setup so the audio hardware, control surface and outboard gear can all be accessed with one usb (hub) and one firewire cable- so the whole studio is plug-n-play) His **** crashed and he lost over an hour worth of work. When I came in, he was piecing back together the project from the audio files in the project folder- lining them up manually while the clients nervously watched. I asked if he had auto save and he wasn't sure. I looked it up and found that logic does not have auto save- presumably because macs never crash (ahem). While in the forums, I discovered threads about constant crashing and whining about the lack of auto-save (something we take completely for granted). I just posted this to point out that Macs, Logic, DO CRASH and that every daw has it's shortcomings.
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/15 22:26:01
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BlixYZ
I just posted this to point out that Macs, Logic, DO CRASH and that every daw has it's shortcomings.
This "Mac's never crash" is such hooey,and I find it totally amazing people whov'e used computers for years[I'm 47,and only started using a computer at my join date,for the first time in my life,just so I could use a Daw]believe that mac's are somehow different,theyr'e NOT,they use the same hardware[NOW]and are just computers like any Windows machine. I was told for years by people who"should"know better,that you can only use mac/pro tools if your serious! Well,since Sandy Bridge,it seems all that stuff is not even remotely true,and I doubt it ever really was,as I have found,like any tools,they need to be set up correctly,and sometimes you get a dodgy bit of gear. I was all prepared to shell out 3K for a MacbookPro,and then try and save for monitors etc later,well I was lucky,and for the price of 1 MBP,I now have a dell XPS i7 laptop,an i7 2600k desktop,some monitors and all the software/plugins I need. Admittedly the laptop,is often annoying in that it won't link with soundcloud,when exporting with X1,though that's about it,now I have learn't a hell of a lot about setup,and in almost all other things it's fine,it even has enough power,with the basic i7 2630qm CPU,to run ridiculous amounts of tracks/plugins,especially amp sims,which are known cpu hogs. I bought a whole desktop[listed],instead of an RME UC interface,and am so glad I did,as now I have both rigs duplicated with everything,and the parts picked desktop has been so faultless,its scary! The sooner this mac's don't crash rubbish,is known as total myth the better,and then their hugely inflated prices will seem even more ridiculous[especially here]. cheers Bob
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/16 10:19:53
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BlixYZ
https://logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=80149
I have an engineer working in my studio- he's using his own macbookpro instead of my windows machines because Logic is his daw of choice. (i have it setup so the audio hardware, control surface and outboard gear can all be accessed with one usb (hub) and one firewire cable- so the whole studio is plug-n-play)
His **** crashed and he lost over an hour worth of work. When I came in, he was piecing back together the project from the audio files in the project folder- lining them up manually while the clients nervously watched.
I asked if he had auto save and he wasn't sure. I looked it up and found that logic does not have auto save- presumably because macs never crash (ahem). While in the forums, I discovered threads about constant crashing and whining about the lack of auto-save (something we take completely for granted).
I just posted this to point out that Macs, Logic, DO CRASH and that every daw has it's shortcomings.
Having used Macs for sometime now, I am well aware that they do crash, but I have also been dabbling with Logic and wasn't aware there was no autosave! so thanks for the head-up on that one. Andy
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/16 15:04:13
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Also, you have to have a goatee or just be very cool to use a Mac. Like that guy in the "I'm a Mac" TV commercials. (Of course, he's just an actor who admittedly knows nothing at all about computers, but he does look eerily like everybody I see in the Apple Store.)
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/16 15:14:58
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Also, you have to have a goatee or just be very cool to use a Mac. Like that guy in the "I'm a Mac" TV commercials. (Of course, he's just an actor who admittedly knows nothing at all about computers, but he does look eerily like everybody I see in the Apple Store.)
Ahh yes, mostly those ones that all look the same are the more original thinking, independent, creative individuals too... 
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/16 15:45:55
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i hate auto save. last time i tried it i ended up with a messy folder full of .cwp files which was way too unnecessary. Your scenario is not even a mac/pc or logic/sonar issue. Its user incompetence plain and simple. Ctrl + S, Cmd + S should be rote for any computer user. Furthermore, as someone who relies on auto save - imagine a scenario where you end up using someone elses computer/program which doesn't have it enabled, or an option. It ends up being a crutch.
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BlixYZ
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/16 16:28:54
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i hate auto save. last time i tried it i ended up with a messy folder full of .cwp files which was way too unnecessary. Your scenario is not even a mac/pc or logic/sonar issue. Its user incompetence plain and simple. Ctrl + S, Cmd + S should be rote for any computer user. Furthermore, as someone who relies on auto save - imagine a scenario where you end up using someone elses computer/program which doesn't have it enabled, or an option. It ends up being a crutch.
what are you talking about? Are you confusing versioning with autosave? i love versioning too, btw. Once i had a project become corrupted and the extra versions saved my ass and my clients work. I hit save constantly, but nobody is perfect- and in the heat of battle, sometimes autosave is the extra life you need!
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/16 17:52:47
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Yep, I work with guys who are on Protools and teach a class where eveyone in the program has Logic on a Mac (I know nothing of the program).
The idea that Macs are more stable is just insanity. Granted, if you by a windows machine off the rack at the local electronics store you are asking for instability, but buy a well built PC and set if up correctly and no Mac will be better...
I hear 10 x more stories about dead drives and crashes than I have ever experienced with my systems over 20 years.
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/16 18:02:13
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Jonbouy
bitflipper
Also, you have to have a goatee or just be very cool to use a Mac. Like that guy in the "I'm a Mac" TV commercials. (Of course, he's just an actor who admittedly knows nothing at all about computers, but he does look eerily like everybody I see in the Apple Store.)
Ahh yes, mostly those ones that all look the same are the more original thinking, independent, creative individuals too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hubJCf2Nyho http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R7ORTEy3Sg&feature=related
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 10:31:35
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I just posted this to point out that Macs, Logic, DO CRASH and that every daw has it's shortcomings. Yep... This is why Logic and my MacBook Pro now reside at my girlfriend's residence (used to surf the net). They were collecting dust in my closet.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 10:33:55
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Also, you have to have a goatee or just be very cool to use a Mac. L Hey now, I have a goatee... and consider myself much too cool to buy into the "neo-hipster" Mac culture. 
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 10:46:44
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Jim Roseberry
I just posted this to point out that Macs, Logic, DO CRASH and that every daw has it's shortcomings.
Yep...
This is why Logic and my MacBook Pro now reside at my girlfriend's residence (used to surf the net).
They were collecting dust in my closet.
You mean to say that it crashes more on average than your PC? I ask because I use the same combo usually 6 days a weeks, all day long - not to mention that it's also my all-purposes machine so it's basically running 7/7 - and besides a few incident which were related to specific plug-ins (POD Farm, which is incredibly buggy on Mac comes to mind) Logic 9 is as stable as it gets. My MacBook isn't particularly optimized - though I did a few basic tweaks recently when I installed Pro Tools on it. That's when I realized how capricious some other applications were. Logic has been running on the laptop as is since day one. I know you've used precedent version - like 7 or 8 I think - but 9 has been out for 3 years now. It isn't really fair to make a judgement on Logic - or any product - based on that. Remember Cakewalk Pro Audio 7 vs Pro Audio 9? ;)
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 11:08:24
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Personally, I don't need AutoSave. Logic does have Auto Back Up - can be set up for up to 100 versions. I can include a screenshot if you want. ;) And I can testify - based on MY OWN experience that Logic very consistently saves a back up of your project when it crashes (as stated above, POD Farm caused such problem on my system). Easy to identify (see picture below - Logic adds (crash) to the project name. Wonder why your buddy couldn't find or use it. Furthermore, Logic will usually ask you if you want to recover that specific version when you launch it afterwards.  I don't know why people feel the need to enlighten forum readers by reporting other people's experience and hearsay. Really, man? My experience w/ Sonar has been mostly positive. If I were to try to judge Sonar and PCs by reading these forums, I'd probably come up w/ a fairly negative opinions (particularly if I came here determined to find negative stuff that I can brag about).
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 11:16:20
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You mean to say that it crashes more on average than your PC? No, I knew after writing the response that it would be misinterpreted. We've been thru this discussion before. My MacBook Pro wasn't/isn't unstable. Neither are my PCs... My point: Logic/Mac is no less prone to issues than X1/PC. Look at the forums Doesn't matter if you're talking version 8 or 9 Folks on both forums voice remarkably similar issues/complaints (AND compliments for that matter) Personally, I just don't find Logic appealing. I don't find the Mac platform appealing. In the distant past, I loved the advanced features (ie: non destructive MIDI quantization) as they were revolutionary. I much prefer the choices I have now on a PC. I've got X1, Soundforge, Vegas, ProTools, Cubase, Reaper, Studio One, etc. That's a very complete tool-box. And... I have complete control over my machine (hardware). I control exactly what goes in... and how it's configured.
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 11:22:19
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SToons
Jonbouy
bitflipper
Also, you have to have a goatee or just be very cool to use a Mac. Like that guy in the "I'm a Mac" TV commercials. (Of course, he's just an actor who admittedly knows nothing at all about computers, but he does look eerily like everybody I see in the Apple Store.)
Ahh yes, mostly those ones that all look the same are the more original thinking, independent, creative individuals too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hubJCf2Nyho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R7ORTEy3Sg&feature=related
I'm just wondering why Dave would be inside an Apple Store.........
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Rain
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 11:24:06
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Jim Roseberry
You mean to say that it crashes more on average than your PC?
No, I knew after writing the response that it would be misinterpreted.
We've been thru this discussion before.
My MacBook Pro wasn't/isn't unstable.
Neither are my PCs...
My point:
Logic/Mac is no less prone to issues than X1/PC.
Look at the forums
Doesn't matter if you're talking version 8 or 9
Folks on both forums voice remarkably similar issues/complaints (AND compliments for that matter)
Personally, I just don't find Logic appealing. I don't find the Mac platform appealing.
In the distant past, I loved the advanced features (ie: non destructive MIDI quantization) as they were revolutionary.
I much prefer the choices I have now on a PC. I've got X1, Soundforge, Vegas, ProTools, Cubase, Reaper, Studio One, etc. That's a very complete tool-box. And... I have complete control over my machine (hardware). I control exactly what goes in... and how it's configured.
Yeah, I know. ;) I just don't feel comfortable someone w/ an obvious authority on the topic (computers) lend credence to gossip, particularly if your reasons are your preferences and not actual issues. Forums are forums. I can only speak for myself. Sonar was good to me. Logic is at least as good.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 11:46:15
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I just don't feel comfortable someone w/ an obvious authority on the topic (computers) lend credence to gossip, particularly if your reasons are your preferences and not actual issues.
My point is that a LOT of folks assume that a Mac/Logic is some type of guarantee. It's not... No more or less prone to stability...
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 11:48:09
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Figured I'd upload a new avatar... with the goatee
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 11:54:38
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Jim Roseberry
Figured I'd upload a new avatar... with the goatee
And your newly grafted Siamese twin?
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 12:31:19
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And your newly grafted Siamese twin? That would be the lovely Kristie Kemper from the morning show at WLVQ QFM96 (aka my girlfriend).
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 12:32:53
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you call her "the goatee"?! Well... it was her idea
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 15:32:11
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I stood watching as, 20 minutes before a live TV broadcast, the PowerMac or whatever (the big one) running PT HD crashed... They were mixing the band through it. Teehee.
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 16:12:45
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ALL computers crash...my parents have had Macs for years and their computers have crashed FAR more times than my PC's, which I have had longer...watch where you go on the net...this, in my experience, is where 90% of issues begin. A side note, too, my parents are pretty net savvy and are very computer literate...the internet can be a the devil on a DAW, but I personally haven't had an issue as both my PC's and my laptop are on the net...lucky...maybe?? ;-)
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Re:This just in....
2012/07/17 16:17:06
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....somehow I thought I read where he was on the net...my bad! Too many kids running around me now! ....but I stand by my statement anyways!
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