Did spacey buy a pickup winder

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2012/07/18 06:46:21 (permalink)

Did spacey buy a pickup winder


An inquiring mind wants to know.

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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 08:33:37 (permalink)
    No. And you would not believe the market.

    My investigation to date is that should one be built
    and offered at a reasonable price...I don't think they
    could be built fast enough.

    Most people without great mechanical engineering skills
    and a good grasp of electronics are building them- and
    that is very cool.
    I've been having a blast watching youtube videos...some
    very funny folks out there.
    And the exceptional builders incorporate tensioners and traverse
    systems.

    Currently I'm waiting on a couple of tools. One to read the
    strength of magnets (magnetometer) and a magnetic polarity
    checker - I can use those even if I don't wind pickups.

    I also ordered a reed switch. With it and a small magnet I can
    turn a calculator into a counter. ( revolution count for winder).

    Whether or not I ever build a pup, which I believe I will, it's been
    great fun checking out what it's about.
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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 09:31:04 (permalink)
    Here  is one place that I've been looking at. You can see
    that the price is not listed for the winder but it is for the
    deluxe tensioner so that tells ya something.
    Although I'm waiting for pricing from them I'm pretty sure
    I'll build my winder and probably my own tensioner.
    The traverse system I haven't given much thought to yet
    as it would mainly be for Humbuckers anyway.
    And the story with them...a lot of BS from what I'm getting.
    Even Seyour Duncan has some "funny" things to say about
    those.
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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 09:45:06 (permalink)
    That winder looks super.

    Can you keep me informed about what you learn.

    I've had the one at Stew Mac and the one you can find on ebay in mind for a while but they seemed to be made with nappy quality parts.

    It seems like a DIY is the way to go... but I'd consider buying a nice one if you can.

    I'm eager to learn what you learn. :-)


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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 10:08:41 (permalink)
    spacey


    No. And you would not believe the market.

    My investigation to date is that should one be built
    and offered at a reasonable price...I don't think they
    could be built fast enough.

    Most people without great mechanical engineering skills
    and a good grasp of electronics are building them- and
    that is very cool.
    I've been having a blast watching youtube videos...some
    very funny folks out there.
    And the exceptional builders incorporate tensioners and traverse
    systems.

    Currently I'm waiting on a couple of tools. One to read the
    strength of magnets (magnetometer) and a magnetic polarity
    checker - I can use those even if I don't wind pickups.

    I also ordered a reed switch. With it and a small magnet I can
    turn a calculator into a counter. ( revolution count for winder).

    Whether or not I ever build a pup, which I believe I will, it's been
    great fun checking out what it's about.

    I'm wondering if the textiles industry would have some good mechanical methods of winding that would be a source for some good ideas and sub-assemblies for builiding a p-up winder.

    I love the ingenuity that mechanical engineers often employ.

    "We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles.
    In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 10:52:55 (permalink)
    I've seen some videos of mods made to sewing machines for winding pickups, they mainly consist of adding a device that counts the winds. None of my machines, have a mechanism for counting and ones, got a a complex computer built in. Sewing machines use tension plates to set the tension, so 2 plates, one on a spring and a bolt to adjust the tension.


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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 11:02:07 (permalink)
    It is so cool for you guys to share this interest with me.
    I'm very glad to share whatever I can.
    The problem, maybe, is you get my opinions and right now
    I have a lot of bad things to say.

    Not only about what beginners like me have a selection
    to choose from but also the technical information.

    Jon you are right on track with me. I just ordered a sewing machine
    motor.

    Mike here is my take on a winder:

    Needs to be variable speed. 0-750 is fine for me- others/experienced may want 1500rpms.
    Needs to have bobbin connection on either end or reverse. - I'll go for bobbin on each end.
    Needs to have wire guide for hand feeding. - they set so the wire stays fed within the bobbin plates.
    Needs to have counter for wraps- I'm going to take a calculator and tap into the equal button and wire a magnetic reed switch that a magnet on the drive shaft will activate every
    rotation.

    The tensioner and the traverse mechanics are the tricky parts- I don't know what I'll do about that just yet.
    The winder is the easy part and I know I can build one for under a $100.00 and it will be
    at least as good as this if not better. That one is a very good example of what I'm shooting
    for.
    A couple of mods that I think will make mine better...
    The varible speed control will be a foot controller- that one is on top of winder/hand controlled.
    Mine won't cost $400.00!

    Now some of the issues I've come across.

    There is double talk about winding - Not so much with single coils. Hand wind is good to go.
    But when it comes to Humbuckers ya get a weird report from even the best.
    All the talk of PAF ...I heard Seymour Duncan make the statement that he modeled his off
    a "sweet one" that he found. Well what he is saying is simple- they are not all the same.
    Well that's easy to understand? IT"S NOT when they say that the humbuckers coils are
    wound CONTROLLED....meaning that the wraps are machine controlled as is the tension and both coils are "the same" coils.
    Then it is folllowed by the NEW best thing is humbuckers that have different coils.
    Very confusing.

    What it means is very much like music theory. There are all the rules/guidelines and opinions of what's what and how it is.

    It is very simple to me....ya build one and ya stick in a guitar and find out.
    The trick is to know what ya did and be able to duplicate it so you can see if any of the
    "technical" stuff means anything. ( I'm sure it does and "consistancy" is key)
    For example: If I wind a single coil with exactly 6500 wraps and read the load and know the guass and magnet type then I should be able to do exactly the same thing and get the
    same results...?
    Well......remember- single coils are commonly thought of as hand-wound or scatter wound...at least that's what I currently think-  THAT leads me to...Abigail Ybarra...
    Now she is known as the queen of pickups and no doubt why.
    I mean no disrespect in any way but...I have no reason to believe that see is a technical
    scientist of magnetic coils.
    I have every reason to believe that she was and is a natural at winding a pup. She must
    have the natural ability to control tension and to watch the wraps and know how to make
    them lay. The most important thing- she can consistantly do it.
    That means that when she found the tension and wrap process that created that special
    put- she could do it again. Amazing.

    Now I could go on and on but all this talk is base on about a week of checking things out so
    I could be full of BS. I don't think so and welcome any and all contibutions to the subject(s).

    The one fact I currently know- The motor for the winder is $31.99 with shipping.
    post edited by spacey - 2012/07/18 11:06:06
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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 11:07:01 (permalink)
    mike_mccue


    but they seemed to be made with nappy quality parts.

    So they use standardized bicycle parts taken from a washing machine?


    I thought so.
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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 11:13:59 (permalink)

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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 11:14:47 (permalink)
    bapu


    mike_mccue


    but they seemed to be made with nappy quality parts.

    So they use standardized bicycle parts taken from a washing machine?


    I thought so.
    Me too from what I've heard. Spend $400.00 and have to modify and fix...
    not my idea of a good winder.
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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 11:24:41 (permalink)
    Thanks for the detailed info Spacey.

    Great stuff!


    best,
    mike


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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 12:21:39 (permalink)
    I had to buy a new pickup winder when someone slammed the door to the pickup truck really hard one day and busted the dang winder glass right outta the frame so yeah.... perhaps he did buy a new pickup winder. 

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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 16:51:20 (permalink)
    Try asking Wolfe MacLeod about it. He is a good guy and may know where to get a deal or, heck he may have an old one. He has a webcam in his shop how too, he is the one on the left.

    http://www.wolfetone.com/

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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 20:10:17 (permalink)

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    Re:Did spacey buy a pickup winder 2012/07/18 20:11:30 (permalink)
    Thanks for the link and thought J.

    I've already ordered parts and would rather build my own.
    Not doing this to market...just want to learn to build pups from the
    ground up. Cheaper that way too.
     
    Craig it may be a good one but I've heard many weren't happy
    with it. I just can't see $400.00 worth.
     
    post edited by spacey - 2012/07/18 20:12:57
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