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Cori Yarcken - Floating
Hi Folks...
I believe many of you are familiar with the cakewak bundle file for Kori Yarckin's 'Floating'. When I eventually open up the file in Sonar X1 and play it, I noticed that visually the meters of the 'master' bus are clipping, as in, it's in the red region most of the time, though I can't hear any audio distortion. My question is, why is it like that? All these while I thought that the meter readings should never reach into the 'red' region. Hope someone can explain. Thanks.
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/07/29 04:11:50
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/07/29 06:18:02
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clipping is at 0db digital. The red area starts at -6db on my meters, and I'd rather expect a finished piece of work to keep a level up in that range, maybe a touch on the low side of it if it was still headed for mastering. Might that be what you're seeing?
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/07/29 06:31:09
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glisando
Hi Folks...
I believe many of you are familiar with the cakewak bundle file for Kori Yarckin's 'Floating'. When I eventually open up the file in Sonar X1 and play it, I noticed that visually the meters of the 'master' bus are clipping, as in, it's in the red region most of the time, though I can't hear any audio distortion. My question is, why is it like that? All these while I thought that the meter readings should never reach into the 'red' region. Hope someone can explain. Thanks.
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glisando
It's because there are more headroom internal peaking. You using either x32bit floating or you can use x64bit floating audio engine in SONAR. Analog ADDA are often in 24 bit resolution and it's a different story. There are highend x32bit ADDA's available but they are rare in use. Analog world, 24 bit over ZERO give you a harsh peak. Internal 32bit floating doesnt peak harsh over ZERO. The peak in x32bit floating and x64bit is over...more then... +100 db over Zero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_point Still you should not peak over zero during mixing! You should check out gain stage 
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/07/30 23:23:33
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/07/31 00:28:57
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There is a difference between being in the red and clipping.
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/07/31 11:01:48
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True, but when I first ran the project it was indeed clipping at 0dB, and clipping hard. In fact, the Snare Top track was clipping all by itself with the PX64 problem, and it was quite audible.
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/07/31 13:23:30
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I could never quite work out why that song was included as an example of a good mix... but that's just me I suppose :O)
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/08/01 10:28:53
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Are you looking at the file that came on the disks/original download or the updated one that can be downloaded from your store account?
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/08/01 11:25:40
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Hi.. I didn't realize the download was in our store account.. I just was wondering what he was talking about, but he never told me where I might find the file, so now I am not all too worried about it. Thank you though
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/08/01 11:35:20
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Please log into your store account Click the download link next to your SONAR X1 registration Select the download Floating_Cori_Yarckin_v2.zip
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/08/01 11:40:50
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Hmm.. I never saw the updated version for download in my store account. I still only have the original shipped on the disc (with guitar-rig not working). I seem to remember there was a link to the corrected version given here in the forum, but I can't seem to find it any longer (however..the search function in this forum is...ehhh...well... not..that..good..).
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/08/01 11:54:33
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Hmm.. I never saw the updated version for download in my store account. I still only have the original shipped on the disc (with guitar-rig not working). I seem to remember there was a link to the corrected version given here in the forum, but I can't seem to find it any longer (however..the search function in this forum is...ehhh...well... not..that..good..).
You have to click on your producer download link, and its there.. in the middle of the page... 1.2 gigabyte file. its huge. I'm downloading now.. just to see what this thread was about..
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/08/01 12:07:32
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Yeah - and that's the problem. I purchased Sonar X1 as a boxed version, so I only got the registration code without a download link (my on-line purchases like X1-expanded, Z3TA 2, Tassman, brick wall etc., etc. do have that link, but X1 itself.. nope). So - no "corrected" Cori Yarcken file to download...
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/08/01 12:36:12
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glisando
Hi Folks...
I believe many of you are familiar with the cakewak bundle file for Kori Yarckin's 'Floating'. When I eventually open up the file in Sonar X1 and play it, I noticed that visually the meters of the 'master' bus are clipping, as in, it's in the red region most of the time, though I can't hear any audio distortion. My question is, why is it like that? All these while I thought that the meter readings should never reach into the 'red' region. Hope someone can explain. Thanks.
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glisando
The master bus meters on this project will clip, if you, "unmute," the full mix. this project has a track called, "floating, full mix." that is a complete mix of the song. If you unmute this, you are combining this mix, with all of the other tracks in the project. When everything sums together, you get a constant clip... you need to A. Listen to the full mix. B. Listen to the mix of the other tracks. C. Not both. I also notice one of the drum buses, "drum bus d, drum crush." peaks above zero, but does not cause a clip on the master. Cheers mate
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Re:Cori Yarcken - Floating
2012/08/01 17:56:50
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When I originally posted about the PX64 problem, it was before the revised version with the needed Guitar Rig presets was made available. That download resolved the goofy-sounding guitars problem, but not the PX64-induced clipping problem on the Snare Top track. I don't recall there being a "full mix" track until I created one myself, but It's been a while since I looked at that project so I could be mistaken... or maybe the latest download includes one...? 
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