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    Beepster
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 17:58:20 (permalink)
    I don't think you're supposed to use super glue. Most places recommend two small drops of Elmer's wood glue. I'm not sure if this applies to brass nuts though. You need to be able to knock the nut off with a couple light taps if it needs to be replaced and super glue might affix the nut to the point that this process can cause damage. I'm sure Spacey will be able to help more though as I am not a guitar builder. Cheers.
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    2012/08/02 18:03:28 (permalink)

    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/26 13:20:43


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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 18:11:23 (permalink)
    I actually have a bunch of nuts to replace. I seem to break every darned one on every guitar I handle. That was mostly due to me whipping them across stages in bouts of theatrical mayhem but the hilarious part is the two new guitars I now own where the nuts are still perfectly intact weren't cut properly at the factory so even after a full set up I'm getting an ever so slight fret buzz because the slots are too low. It's a problem. I however am just going to send them to the shop because it seems precuts aren't available for these brands and I do not have the patience, skill, tools or time to cut my own. Very annoying. Good luck.
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 18:21:37 (permalink)
    Mike,

    By the photos it looks like you did an excellent job.

    It appears to be "sitting" upright and square to the fretboard
    and a nice tight fit...probably doesn't slide easily...that's good.
    The bottom being nice and the nut having a solid foundation as
    you say is excellent. -( not having a good fit is a tone killer)

    The only reason for glue is so string tension from side to side (naturally)
    doesn't move the nut.

    A very small drop or two of super glue is fine. When I apply it I use a
    toothpick or something similiar and put a very small drop or two.

    One just doesn't want to go overboard so if needs to be changed it tears up stuff.

    A good fit and not sliding side to side is the game.


    I'm proud you would ask me.

    Since I've answered let me tell you what I don't like that I see.
    Just about half of the E string should be setting in the nut.

    Now when you lower it (if you can) then the other strings will or
    may need to come down too.

    When you are setting the nut action you do not want to have it glued in.
    Make certain you have the slot depths cut correctly ( nut action) - personally
    I use a dial indicator to set and then play it and make changes as needed.

    You probably know Mike but make sure the neck bow, string height and intonation
    are very close before dialing in the nut action. You may set the string height a 64th
    on the low side to assure you don't cut the nut slots to deep....that way when you
    raise the string height back up a little you're raising the nut action and if you dialed
    it in good it won't be enough height change to make it play sharp.

    Best Mike
    post edited by spacey - 2012/08/02 18:23:28
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 18:22:36 (permalink)
    Beepster


    I actually have a bunch of nuts to replace. I seem to break every darned one Good luck.


    you busted a nut???

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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 18:32:39 (permalink)
    Sorry...here's some blanks. unbleached and bleached
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 18:33:31 (permalink)
    Heh... I was trying ever so hard to not make that joke but there it is. One might say I bust nuts frequently. Anyway, as usual Spacey your post has taught me something. Cheers.
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    2012/08/02 18:36:31 (permalink)

    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/26 13:21:01


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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 19:17:32 (permalink)
    You're very welcome Mike.
    I'm sure you know to taper the slots down -at
    or a little lower than the string angle to the machines.
    Making sure there is a little shelf in the slot on the fretboard side.
    I have to wear those magnifying headbands for that part...geeze
    getting old is weird.

    Glad you're getting something from this Beepster!

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    2012/08/02 19:22:58 (permalink)

    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/26 13:21:13


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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 19:40:30 (permalink)
    I always do, Spacey. Keep being awesome. :-)
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 19:47:25 (permalink)
    Actually, maybe you could help me with something. I need to replace the nut on a Yamaha Pacifica 112 (strat style) and I was hoping to just snag a precut Fender nut for the thing and install it myself but the dude at the guitar desk was trying to dissuade me as he "didn't think" it would fit but I think he's full of it. Any tips on measuring this stuff out and just general advice? I really don't want to lose my main axe for an indefinite amount of time while some other dude monkeys around with it. Cheers.
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 20:10:05 (permalink)
    Beepster I can understand why you wouldn't want
    to leave it with somebody you don't know.

    The deal is- the nut is not something one should mess around with.
    If you don't have a pretty good grasp and the right tools things could
    go south very easily.

    Now there may be some out there that can whip out a nut pretty quick...
    but I think it's going to take some time to make one right.
    With that said you should be able to schedule it to be done so you
    wouldn't be without it long at all. I know if I were doing it you could drop
    it off in the morning and pick it up after lunch.....
    Now if he has his act together- when you pick it up he'll ask you to play it
    and he'll be prepared to "finish" it up while you go to lunch...if he needs
    to lower it a little more for you......so don't eat until after you go there LOL.

    Good luck Beepster.
    post edited by spacey - 2012/08/02 20:11:35
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 20:38:07 (permalink)
    @spacey... Right on, man and solid advice. I am rather comfortable with making minor adjustments to a nut and I do have a set of needle files. However they are NOT proper guitar needle files so they would be highly ineffective for carving a blank nut. That's kind of why I was hoping to snag a precut strat nut and tweak it from there if necessary. Essentially pop the old one out, toss in the new one, file the slots where needed. I do actually have some books detailing this process and am an internet hound so I can usually sniff up info as I go. I prefer higher action anyway so I can dig in but I also need things to stay in tune when fretted in first position as I play a LOT of big open chords there. I guess my main concern is spacing and whether the thing is gonna at worst not be wide enough which makes the thing useless... or too wide which is not so bad but still annoying. My main goal is just getting the strings up higher to get rid of the darned buzz. Truss and intonation adjustments are no big deal for me now so that's not an issue... bah. I guess I probably should just get it done professionally but I've had very bad experiences with random techs and my needs are somewhat unique. I know they'll just do something lame or not listen to what I'm trying to tell them. I'd just really like to be able to do this stuff myself. Sorry for the rant. Thread just got my mind twisted towards the topic. Cheers.
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 21:39:15 (permalink)
    spacey


    The deal is- the nut is not something one should mess around with. 


    Absolutely!  Don't let just anyone mess with your nuts.
     
    (Ya, I'm turning 12 soon... )

     
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 22:15:22 (permalink)
    I've been trying so desperately not to make nut jokes. I made a promise to myself I would not infect the forum with my low brow potty humor... but craig... youssa makin' it very hard, sir. Beepster must serious. :-| There we go.
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 22:28:25 (permalink)
    Gotta save that serious stuff for upstairs Beep!

     
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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/02 22:32:59 (permalink)
    I sometimes forget which floor I'm on.
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    2012/08/03 07:35:50 (permalink)

    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/26 13:21:23


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    Re:ground control to spacey 2012/08/03 08:22:40 (permalink)
    I knew you could do it and glad I could offer support.

    If I may Mike...you may have done this after the photos but
    thought I'd mention-
    Round the edges on the sides. If you've already glued the nut in then
    tape off everywhere around it (don't rely on "being careful":)

    this next one is just me....I don't like it when a nut is not polished. ( go for it Craig!)
    Here are some excellent pads to shine that brass. Again, tape everything off.
    If you have some 800 grit hit it with that first and these pads will do the trick.

    Good job Mike!





    post edited by spacey - 2012/08/03 08:27:34
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    2012/08/03 08:39:31 (permalink)

    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/26 13:21:31


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