Vsti´s won´t play any more

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2012/08/03 13:15:47 (permalink)

Vsti´s won´t play any more

So here I am with this bigger project, running about 80 Tracks, something like 60 Audio and 20 vst.

I was praising Sonar how got and glitch free it worked till today. In the middle of a recording session, doing vocals,
the vsti´s stop to play.

Shut down > restart, nothing. Checking for Mute and Solo, nothing, no chance.

When inserting a new vsti, it plays but not the ones I inserted before, STTTRRRAANNGEE!! isn´t it???

Thanks god I´m saving versions like every day. So I went to the previous version, and viola all plays!

Somebody seen this before?

I´m running X1 in 32 bit mode and I´m a bit over 3 GB ram in usage now, so nothing dramatic..

Any ideas?

For now I´m inserting all the the vsti´s again and copying the midi data on the new tracks to keep on working, got my deadline next week and it´s slitely making me nervous..



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    peregrine
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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 14:06:08 (permalink)
    Install/run the 64 bit version of SONAR.
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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 14:12:10 (permalink)
    That's a lot of tracks for 3GB. Did you try freezing some of them to reduce the load?

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    submarin
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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 14:23:13 (permalink)

    Thanks guys,

    I have 6 GB installed and Sonar is only using 3 for that project, no to ne missunderstood.
    So still plenty of Ram headroom.

    @ peregrine: I´m waiting for UAD2 plugs to be finally in 64 bit, then I will jump over.

    But this shouldn´t happen right??

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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 14:41:50 (permalink)
    Your UAD plugs should work fine in the 64 bit host. Mine certainly do. You'll need to
    direct the 64 bit host to the folder where you have the UAD d link libraries.

    Don't wait.  Just install the 64 bit host, then open the project there, play it back and hear what happens.
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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 14:56:38 (permalink)
    But then the UAD´s are bridged right?

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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 14:59:10 (permalink)
    I have 6 GB installed and Sonar is only using 3 for that project, no to ne missunderstood. So still plenty of Ram headroom.



    No, because if you're using 32-bit Sonar, it can only use up to a little over 3GB. The benefit of using 64-bit Sonar is that you can use a lot more RAM. 

    Dave
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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 15:00:21 (permalink)
    submarin


    Thanks guys,

    I have 6 GB installed and Sonar is only using 3 for that project, no to ne missunderstood.
    So still plenty of Ram headroom.

    @ peregrine: I´m waiting for UAD2 plugs to be finally in 64 bit, then I will jump over.

    But this shouldn´t happen right??

    My understanding is you can only access the full complement of RAM if you're running Sonar in 64 bit mode.


    So... you'll need to start freezing whatever synths you've finished with. Freeze the SYNTH, not the TRACK


    Watch your RAM usage fall

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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 15:17:25 (permalink)
    As I said, in this project I was using 3 GB.

    When running X1 in 32 bit mode I can adress 4 GB, so there is 1 GB headroom..

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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 15:33:52 (permalink)
    submarin


    As I said, in this project I was using 3 GB.

    When running X1 in 32 bit mode I can adress 4 GB, so there is 1 GB headroom..


    What do you mean "in this project I was using 3 Gb???" Do you mean you go to BIOS and set RAM usage per project???
    The absolute maximum in use in a 32 bit system is about 3,3 Gb. There is no such thing as "headroom" when you talk about RAM. THere's no way to measure (AFAIK) how much more RAM SONAR would use if there was something more to use.

    A project with 80 tracks and 20 VSTs is not satisfied with 3 Gb of RAM, I guess.
    post edited by Kalle Rantaaho - 2012/08/03 16:07:46

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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 15:38:11 (permalink)
    Marin, if you would please, just install the 64 bit host and check out the result.
    It should take you no more than 30 minutes.
    It is not a destructive change. It does nothing to your project.
    Your UAD powered plugs will not be affected.
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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 16:30:23 (permalink)
    When running X1 in 32 bit mode I can adress 4 GB, so there is 1 GB headroom..



    No, because Windows is using some of that memory too. 

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    submarin
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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 17:12:45 (permalink)
    Maybe I´m mistaken, I thought that running W7 64 with X1 in 32 bit mode I can use 4 GB for the Application..

    Kalle, yes I´m just opening my taskmager while Sonar is running and check the ram usage

    Hey Peregrine, maybe I should do it, I just remember at my friends studio, that whenh running UAD bridged, it causes troubles, like they won´t remember the parameters and such..

    I would have ditched the UAD but I can´t work without my EMT 140 and 250 reverbs..


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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 17:43:08 (permalink)
    You can download and install meminfo - it's freeware - and you will have a realtime status of memory usage in your
    notification area. When your machine boots, memory is allocated for the video card and the motherboard BIOS. Then
    memory is allocated for the OS and then everything else that's configured to run at startup. On this 64 bit machine,
    my current usage is at 2.95gb after startup. If I start 32 bit SONAR and open a new project, usage goes up to 3.17gb.
    IE is running at about .062gb and there are only a couple other, very small, applications I could terminate if necessary.

    Any 32 bit process in a 64 bit system will get a virtual 4gb memory allocation.  As you can see in my case, sitting
    here at idle throttle, I'm already using 3.2 gb . Once you start processing, and add plugs, effects, temp files, etc.,
    you run out of room very quickly.

    If you insist on remaining in a 32 bit environment, you can try setting program priority higher for SONAR and
    any of the applications you want to use. I'm not sure it will help because the system processes will just trump
    your settings and take whatever they need. If you have a 64 bit OS, I think there is a 4gb switch you can set.
    You can do a search for this, or someone else may have more specifics. The program has to be large address
    aware, I think, and I'm not sure if this is true for SONAR - you'd have to check the headers. Even so, I don't
    know if this approach would be of any help.
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    Re:Vsti´s won´t play any more 2012/08/03 18:09:42 (permalink)
    Thanks Peregrine,

    I will install Sonar 64 these days and test it for sure..

    Man, 3.2 GB idling status, that´s alot, I`ll get 1.68 GB!!

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