X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow!

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2012/08/05 08:30:18 (permalink)

X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow!

One of the things that flashed by in the video was Windows 8 support,
Touch screen support with basic multitouch.
 
That is incredible!
 
To control everything by multitouch on a tablet, we would have basically a near-perfect console emulation, all control surfaces would become pretty much redundant.
 
Granted, current tablets are small. But presumably it will be possible to flick around on the surface like an iPhone.
 
I have just become more excited!
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    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 08:46:45 (permalink)
    To clarify, we are committed to doing touch support but this will happen in a maintenance update after X2 ships, so that we can test this on the final released version of Windows 8. 

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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 09:02:09 (permalink)
    Would you not hold back the release of X2 until after Windows 8 is released?

    Regarding touch screens... yeah, that would be cool, but how would we get that on our current hardware that does not support touch screen technology?

    Would it be possible to connect a stand alone touch screen device that you could plug into our current system and then use that operate our "consoles?" That would be cool... having one touch screen control surface that you could use to operate sliders and even turn knobs and stuff. Imagine being able to open your soft synth interface on your USB touch screen control surface. Kind of software almost going back to being hardware, in a virtual sort of way...

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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 10:33:00 (permalink)
    Noel,

    you or roland need to come up w/ a touchscreen w/ a motorized fader and a couple of knobs along the right side.  A touchscreen VS 100.  Touch the screen and SONAR automatically assigns that channel and controlees to the fader and knobs.  Left hand for touching, right for controlling.  Touchscreens aren't tactile enough for a lot of congrol movement.

    Whomever makes one of those first will sell a lot.  I'd like to see Cake do it.

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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 11:51:27 (permalink)
    Noel, you or roland need to come up w/ a touchscreen w/ a motorized fader and a couple of knobs along the right side. A touchscreen VS 100. Touch the screen and SONAR automatically assigns that channel and controlees to the fader and knobs. Left hand for touching, right for controlling. Touchscreens aren't tactile enough for a lot of congrol movement. Whomever makes one of those first will sell a lot. I'd like to see Cake do it.

     
    Absolutely AT!!! Make it a little larger than an i-pad, perhaps a 15" screen with a flip out stand on the back to just lift it to a mild angle, plenty of rubber around the back to hold it still. Whoever does it, I hope they pull out all the stops and make it right. The imagination flies....
     
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 11:53:54 (permalink)
    Regarding touch screens... yeah, that would be cool, but how would we get that on our current hardware that does not support touch screen technology?



    You either need to buy a touchscreen display or a touchpad. The touchpad obviously is not as nice as being able to touch the faders on the display, but it works.

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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 13:53:25 (permalink)
    I'm with, AT. I don't think current touchscreen tech is gonna work very well for the finite adjustments needed in audio production. It'll be cool for more simple stuff like the matrix and general controls though so I think it could be really useful for live dj's. Maybe they could have a ZOOM IN feature that allows you to make knobs and faders large enough on the touch screen to have more control over them. hmm...
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 14:00:19 (permalink)
    Noel?!? It's the weekend! Don't you ever take time off? :)

    >how would we get that on our current hardware that does not support touch screen technology?

    Sure, the technology will have to be there. Touchscreens in normal (22") size are already appearing, so I have no worries on that score.

    And I expect we need to wait a few Windows service packs before Win8 is stable, too.

     But I was just surprised nobody had picked up on this feature yet.
    post edited by JazzSinger - 2012/08/05 14:53:41
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 14:09:03 (permalink)
    I don't think it's an "either/or" scenario, jazzsinger. It's just the support will be there. If you have the hardware you can make use of it. If not just work how you always have been. If it REQUIRES a touchscreen... well that ain't gonna fly. I dislike that new fangled wackiness. Keyboard and trackball for me, thanks. ;-p
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 14:56:56 (permalink)
    JazzSinger


     But I was just surprised nobody had picked up on it yet.

    It has been mentioned elsewhere




    Keyboard and trackball here too Beep. Actually, I used to use the old microsoft explorer trackball, but I've only got one left now and I need that for work (I'm a CAD designer).





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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 14:59:51 (permalink)
    I've got a Kensington Scroll Mouse but it stopped working for some reason. I think it's a driver issue. Gotta sort that out because I love that thing. :-)
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 15:34:31 (permalink)
    If you don't have a touch screen, you cannot use touch on the screen. Obviously any other HID will work, including presumably mousepads with multitouch.
     
    On the other hand, if you purchase a device with Win8 on it, it's likely it will have a touch screen.
     
    I mourn the passing of cabled Logitec trackballs. I keep forgetting to take that silly RF dongle out of laptops.
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 16:47:11 (permalink)


     
    Absolutely AT!!! Make it a little larger than an i-pad, perhaps a 15" screen with a flip out stand on the back to just lift it to a mild angle, plenty of rubber around the back to hold it still. Whoever does it, I hope they pull out all the stops and make it right. The imagination flies....
     
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    Or buy the Microsoft Surface Pro tablet when it arrives in January. http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2012/06/why-microsofts-surface-pro-will-be-the-first-real-business-tablet.php
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 17:07:50 (permalink)
    Dell ST2220T, 22" Touch TFT, HDMI, FULL HD
    Eizo T2351W, 23" 16:9 Multi-Touchscreen,
    Hyundai G75TR Touchscreen, 17" TFT, DVI-D
    Acer T231H, 23" 16:9 Multi-Touchscreen

    and, if money is no object,

    Samsung SyncMaster 460TS-3, 46"!

    There's quite a choice out there already.
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 17:47:10 (permalink)
    none of the above suggestions include a motorized fader - I don't think touchscreen faders work very well and certainly miss something tactilily.

    Plus there is the automatic assignment I'm hoping for - use your left hand to select a a channel and the fader is automatically assigned.  No muss, no fuss.

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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 17:53:47 (permalink)
    I'm curious. Does anybody make QWERTY keyboards with MIDI assignable controls? Like maybe a row of knobs and basic transport buttons at the top? That would be cool. Full on sliders might be a little too much for a keyboard but those parameters could be controlled by the knobs. Or maybe some mini scroll wheels or toggles.
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/05 18:14:45 (permalink)
    I don't see why it couldn't work well for fine adjustments. Picture it: you touch a knob and slide your finger up or down. The speed at which you slide it determines the rate of adjustment. 
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/06 11:27:20 (permalink)
    I bought a 23" touchscreen monitor about a year ago to try to use with sonar and plugins to alleviate my wrist issues caused by leaning on the mouse all day.
    I don't use it because the results were inconsistent-  some knobs and faders were smooth and controllable, others were jumpy and imposssible.  The pro channel was not touch friendly, but the cake brand vocal strip and other plugs were very touch friendly.

    In the end, I figured I'd just have to wait for the technology to improve and for the developers at cake to fullly implement what windows 7 and 8 have made possible. (touch-wise)

    I still use the monitor everyday- i just don't touch it.  I will be thrilled if I can make use of it with sonar when X2 comes out!!!!!!

    btw- i like the idea of selecting with one hand and adjusting with a single fader and knob.
    Even with a working touch screen, i will still keep my Mackie MCU Pro and C4
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/06 14:11:23 (permalink)
    Beepster,

    not that I know of.  However, there was a keyboard/computer w/ a little (4 inches or so) touchscreen imbedded to the right on it).  I can't remember the details.

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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/06 15:31:46 (permalink)

    One of these to use with the matrix:

    http://www.mimomonitors.com/

    http://www.wholesale-star.com/portable-7-inch-usb-powered-touchscreen-monitor-p-1123.html 

    Touch-monitors: Lots to use them for. Lots to not use them for.
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/07 02:33:38 (permalink)


    I bought a 23" touchscreen monitor about a year ago to try to use with sonar and plugins to alleviate my wrist issues caused by leaning on the mouse all day. 

    Have you tried any tennis elbow exercises? They usually involve wrist flexion. The elbow, wrist and associated tendons are all connected and usually problems with one coincide with problems with the other. Of course I don't know what the specifics of your wrist problems are, but I do know that regular wrist flexion and strengthening exercises can help people who have conditions caused by excessive mouse usage.  

    One that I do every day is this: hold the arms out in front of you at shoulder height, fists clenched lightly, palms facing down. Bend the wrists downwards as far as you can stretch, and hold for a couple of seconds. Then bend the wrists up to full extension and hold again. Repeat this 10 times. Next, twist your arms so that the palms are facing each other. Perform exactly the same stretches, but rotated 90 degrees.  

    This does wonders for the wrists, forearms and tendons. In fact it works as a cure for tennis elbow for a lot of people. There is also something you can buy called the Flexbar, by Theraband. You perform a very specific twisting and untwisting exercise with it (there is a video somewhere on YouTube) which virtually guarantees a cure for tennis elbow (and associated conditions) in just a few weeks. Very good for the wrists.  


    I know what it can be like to suffer wrist and tendon pain, especially with mouse use. I once saw someone using a mouse that was held vertically, i.e. with the hand in the beer can holding position, which is apparently a far healthier and more natural position to use a tool. Never found out where to get them though.  
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/07 02:43:11 (permalink)
    sharke


    I once saw someone using a mouse that was held vertically, i.e. with the hand in the beer can holding position, which is apparently a far healthier and more natural position to use a tool. Never found out where to get them though.   

    Here is one such example of a vertical mouse:-


    http://www.evoluent.com/

    (sorry for going off topic there a moment)

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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2012/08/07 03:22:07 (permalink)
    That's the one!
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    Re:X2 Win8 + multitouch - wow! 2016/08/26 21:45:44 (permalink)
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    Noel,

    you or roland need to come up w/ a touchscreen w/ a motorized fader and a couple of knobs along the right side.  A touchscreen VS 100.  Touch the screen and SONAR automatically assigns that channel and controlees to the fader and knobs.  Left hand for touching, right for controlling.  Touchscreens aren't tactile enough for a lot of congrol movement.

    Whomever makes one of those first will sell a lot.  I'd like to see Cake do it.

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    Noel,
    I see this is 4 year old post but it's cool to see you have the exact question to Cakewalk as I have today Aug 26, 2016.  I use a Surface Pro 3 running in Window 10 64-bit with Sonar Platinum latest version 2016.08 (22.8.0.29).
    I agree with your post that the Sonar Platinum should allow me to touch a fader on the screen to select so the V-Studio 100 motorized fader to operate on that track fader.  I can go to the console and right-click and dialog says: "Move VS-100 - 1 here" and this will result in that track to be selected.  To take it a step further, I want it to do what you explain above to merely touch that fader to quickly navigate the console.  Do you know of a solution to this as of today or is this history for you?
    Thanks,
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