Recording guitar chords as individual notes

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2012/08/07 08:27:22 (permalink)

Recording guitar chords as individual notes

Read this interesting one today. Instead of recording yourself strumming a chord, record yourself playing each individual note that makes up the chord in the same strumming pattern. It's weird. Sounds a bit different. A little clearer. I wouldn't of course use it to replace proper playing, but instead use it as effect.

What is more cool about it though is you can pan the individual notes. Just did it with a D chord (so only 4 strings - but I could easily add the other two as playability is not an issue here) and then panned the low notes to the high in the same way a piano plays. So actually went hard left on the low D up to hard right on the F#. Cool sound. You can then mix it up to make it more spread. Lots of possibilities. Just an interesting approach that I never thought of before and I'm sure would sound really cool in the appropriate places in a song.

The list of possible chord inversions to create a nice sound is endless. Imagine playing every single note on the fretboard of say C major. So every single C, E and G note on the guitar is played with the same timing. Then pan that bad boy everywhere! That would sound crazy and I imagine very beautiful. A full wash of chord coming from everywhere. Then inside that sweep a simple moving melody... Wow. I think this is basically orchestral composition on a guitar, and treating every note as a new instrument..

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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 09:01:56 (permalink)

    :-)

    I think you might as well just consider that "this is basically orchestral composition" and not just focus on the guitar.

    :-)




    Chord voicing on a guitar has a subtle rhythmic component. A down stroke sounds different than an upstroke. If you build harmonies out of different takes you may consider if you want the notes to occur simultaneously or as a series of pulses that  form a strumming sound.


    It seems like you are off to have some fun!!!


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    post edited by mike_mccue - 2012/08/07 09:03:55


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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 09:53:47 (permalink)
    I don't think I would have the patience for guitar orchestration.  I think it would suck all of the fun out of playing guitar for me.

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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 10:07:01 (permalink)
    I can see the fun in trying to build up something this way.

    You're going to have to be really careful about your timing though - no room for any sort of sloppiness!

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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 12:21:26 (permalink)
    What's really cool about this Matt....record each note like you're saying and then throw them into Melodyne DNA and change the notes around to any chord you decide to make without artifacts! LOL! :)

    Or, play a full chord and then bring it into Melodyne and it will target each note in the chord and allow you to move it anywhere you want....then copy and paste and change voicings and you can write an entire song based on one chord. I was messing around with this when I first got DNA....it was really cool and you can come up with some strange things that you wouldn't normally play. :)

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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 12:37:43 (permalink)
    I think Gibson has offered something similar for a little while. They have individual string-output integrated in their Firebird X.  
     
    "The bridge piezo pickup includes hex outputs (each string can provide a separate output for computer or live performance setups), which allows for totally new guitar sounds — from “clean” distortion and synth-like timbres to groundbreaking surround possibilities. Firebird X’s new hex pickup design means higher output and greater string separation than ever."

    Anyone w/ a sense of aesthetics may find themselves puking their guts at its sight, but it would seem that it does the job...


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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 13:18:22 (permalink)
    YES! HEX PICKUPS!! Man I'd love to have one of those. These guys make them... http://www.ubertar.com/hexaphonic/
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 13:20:08 (permalink)
    I'd be curious to try them - though mixing guitars is already enough of a headache IMHO. Imagine multiplying that by 6... lol

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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 13:30:41 (permalink)
    Heh. Yeah but you could just create the tracks then send them to a bus. I'd probably use it more for leveling out the tones between the low and high strings to get a more even and full sound. You know how sometimes you have to compensate between the low chugs and the higher squeals? This way you can get the optimum levels and effects settings for both without doing multiple takes. Not sure how good those pickups actually sound but it's a cool idea.
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 14:13:51 (permalink)
    I remember that rumor when supposingly a Def Leppard album
    was recorded that way.....when a tune on hit had been done
    that way or parts of it anyway.....IIRC.
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 14:34:29 (permalink)
    i routinely track 3-4 guitar harmonies, or 3-4 rhythm guitar parts at a time, adding a couple more for a full 'chord' wouldn't be that tough.

    then, if you wanted to do the equivalent of a second guitar part doing full power chords, you could add another 6 of the same, with a different guitar and amp, pan them hard left, the original 6 hard right, and basically have a rhythm section.



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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 14:37:23 (permalink)
    spacey


    I remember that rumor when supposingly a Def Leppard album
    was recorded that way.....when a tune on hit had been done
    that way or parts of it anyway.....IIRC.



    I read that Billy Gibbons did it on Eliminator..can't hear it (or imagine him doing it) myself.

     
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 14:44:50 (permalink)
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    I remember that rumor when supposingly a Def Leppard album
    was recorded that way.....when a tune on hit had been done
    that way or parts of it anyway.....IIRC.



    I read that Billy Gibbons did it on Eliminator..can't hear it (or imagine him doing it) myself.

    I didn't know that James. Sure doesn't sound like something Gibbons would do. Outside of
    fun, which I haven't tried, hard to imagine any value it it.
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 14:53:26 (permalink)

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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 19:31:27 (permalink)
    As a guitarist from early life, I say HERESY!

    What's next, a left handed guitar? People playing on the neck with both hands? TWO ON ONE BRAZILLIAN STYLE?! Where will it end!
     
    (people who are reporting this thread, please note, Brazillian guitarists play 2 "and more" at a time on one guitar)
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/07 22:18:32 (permalink)
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    What's next, a left handed guitar? People playing on the neck with both hands? TWO ON ONE BRAZILLIAN STYLE?! Where will it end! 
      

    Well, there's always this: http://www.prominy.com/SC.htm Check out the vids...lol...it's pretty sick for those that aren't guitar players. It's put me out of a job quite a few times. :(
     
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/08 09:20:43 (permalink)
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    Instead of recording yourself strumming a chord, record yourself playing each individual note that makes up the chord in the same strumming pattern.
    My older brother (who appears on these forums from time to time) recorded The Who's "Can't Explain" like this, back in the early 1980s.  I was just a punk kid at the time, so I wasn't really paying attention, but I think he had rented a reel-to-reel multi-track, and he was trying out all kinds of things.
     
    I do remember his end result: interesting, kinda cool.  Answered the musical question: What would an acoustic Spinal Tap set at a Renaissance festival sound like?


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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/08 10:27:05 (permalink)
    I have heard demonstrations of hex pickups played live through six amplifiers in a semi-circular array, and it sounds very cool indeed. (My generous benefactor who's got me into NAMM year after year has been a German manufacturer of acoustic guitar pickups.) With a pickup on every string, you can play the guitar normally so the performance doesn't sound weird or artificial. It is particularly conducive to finger-picking.

    Lacking such a device, the next best thing would be to use a sample library. Guitarists might well wonder why on earth they'd ever buy a guitar library, but this is a good example of where it makes sense. Assuming, of course, that you have the keyboard chops to pull off the guitar parts on keys. (A MIDI guitar would, I suppose, be the best of both worlds.)

    Once recorded as MIDI, you can split the performance into multiple tracks and do anything you like with them. Not just pan them separately (e.g. low notes in the center, high notes hard panned), but also have separate effects. You could put more reverb on the high strings, less or none on the low strings. You could put a chorus on just the low strings. You could brighten just the low or just the high notes.

    I do something like this now with piano. After recording the piano part (as MIDI), I'll split the lower and upper parts into two MIDI tracks and pan/EQ/effect them separately. This lets me automate the left- and right-hand parts independently, which is very useful as the left hand is prone to getting in the way of other instruments. The same could be said for acoustic guitar parts, where sometimes you want the low strings in there and sometimes you want to back them off for clarity in the mix.



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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/08 12:37:58 (permalink)
    Thought I'd try this. So, here's what I came up with:)

     first takes. about 10 tracks .
    http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11816369


    I like the concept. Sort of opens up a whole new can of worms some new ideas.

    It doesn't seem/feel like any kind of strumming, but still covers that ground.


    edit: I changed the track a bit (cause i forgot where I was)
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/08 14:06:55 (permalink)
    Bit you're right...the hex pickup is very cool. Had mine to long to remember how long.

    I thought a midi keyboard would be a good thing to have for some reason..it's an Axiom 61
    I think...it's been stored away due to the hex set-up working so good.

    I'm not sure what all that has to do with recording one string at a time to build anything though...seems kind of strange that guitarist are wanting 7 and 8 string guitars ...maybe
    we just need one lol.
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/08 17:17:08 (permalink)
    I would get soooo frustrated with this process. I would just play the chords.
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/08 18:26:51 (permalink)
    Clapton did this on the 5/4 intro to Creams "White Room".
     
    If you play the notes of the triad inversions separately you get a very different sound than strumming them together.
     
    The overdrive/distortion sounds very different when you play the notes separately.  It's a fun thing to play around with.
     
    When demonstrating dual lead guitar part to students I've often played both simultaneously to demonstrate the effect. It's fun to work out a way to do it, but sounds completely different to double tracking the parts.  Imagine the possibilities if you track the three parts (triads or partial chord) on different guitars/pickups?
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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/08 21:34:13 (permalink)
    Brian May regularly did this with Queen. Though, in his case he was really doing it for orchestration purposes from the start. He would play them often with his finger up on the kneck to create a very rounded, fairly pure tone.

    One difference of course is that you don't get that intermodulation effects when you do it this way, something that is a big part of distorted guitar sound, sometimes a good thing but sometimes not. You can do things like major sevenths or 6ths and whatnot and not get a lot of wierd intermodulation nastiness.

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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/09 07:40:51 (permalink)
    Joe Pass used to do it too, but he was so fast at it that most people thought he was playing guitar.





    Chord Inversions have been around a while.




    Here's a video explanation featuring Tommy Emanuel speaking about the book:

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    Re:Recording guitar chords as individual notes 2012/08/09 08:45:59 (permalink)
    Great book Mike. Was my bible for quite a while.

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