SSD Drive Configuration

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2012/08/07 13:30:48 (permalink)

SSD Drive Configuration

I am about to take the plunge into SSD. I have always used a dedicated HD for my Sonar Audio files. I am thinking with the speed of SSD, it should not be necessary to have 2 separate drives for the OS and wave files. Is there any disadvantage from a performance perspective, of using a single 256 GB drive with 2 partitions, one for OS and the other for audio? I hate to waist an SSD controller on a wave only drive, and space has never been an issue for my audio drive since I am lazy procrastinator.  Thanks in advance.


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    synkrotron
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 13:42:40 (permalink)
    I've got two SSDs in my lappy and, so far, so good. There will be many here that will advise against a single drive, but, at the end of the day, the decision is yours.

    My two SSD setup is pretty damned fast, at boot up and when reading wave files in Sonar. I've never pushed the disk activity beyond 5% with my smaller ten audio track projects. 

    Oh, and anyway, if you think it isn't performing as it should, you can always get another SSD or HDD



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    konradh
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 14:23:42 (permalink)
    I am interested in other people's experiences.  I have a fairly  large spinning drive divided into C and D for OS and Audio.  I plan to add an SSD just for sample libraries: Hollywood strings specifically.  Any feedback or tips would be good.  (BTW, I have a rack-mounted PC, not a laptop.)

    I have been told this is a no-brainer, but I have heard that many times and ended up down for days.
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 15:48:05 (permalink)
    I picked up a cheap 64GB SSD drive for audio only and use a bigger one for my OS.
     
    If that doesn't appeal, then partitioning a 256GB SSD is still going to be *way* faster than a normal HD. Just remember that SSD partitions have to have 1MB (not more not less) free space before the partition. I'd never heard of this - but at best, you get worse performance, and at worst (like with my old Asus motherboard) the drives aren't even recognised. I couldn't even boot from my "good" drive because the BIOS just hung when querying the (wrongly partitioned) SSDs.
     
    Here's some links - or just google "SSD partition"
     
    http://www.howtogeek.com/97242/how-to-migrate-windows-7-to-a-solid-state-drive/
     
    http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimization-guides/the-ssd-optimization-guide-2/  
      
    http://lifehacker.com/5837769/make-sure-your-partitions-are-correctly-aligned-for-optimal-solid-state-drive-performance
     
    http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/113967-ssd-alignment.html
    http://www.overclock.net/t/1226963/how-to-properly-re-align-your-ssd-hdd-partitions
      


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    chordace
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 16:28:23 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the replies. I plan on using about 3 or 4 SSD drives on this system. I want to use SSD for the OS, audio, OS X Lion(Hackintosh build with bootcamp), and samples. Thinking I can consolidate the OS and audio drives into 2 partitions on one drive.  


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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 20:01:09 (permalink)
    Not sure about the need to partition.  Not good to partition regular disks cuz the same heads must move more,...

    The comp builders use SSDs for audio and for samples that must stream.  Not much benefit for OS after the computer has booted and configured.

    Read a bit about how smaller disks are better for audio recording.  So thinking about getting a small SSD to use for active projects.

    I don't use any streaming samplers.


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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 22:32:17 (permalink)
    I'm still under the impression that SSDs are less reliable than HDDs, and that when they fail they completely fail. They are best for applications where there are more reads than writes (writing reduces lifespan). I don't proclaim to be an expert, but did a bit of research after a customer started demanding SSD solutions because "they are more reliable because there are no moving parts". Uh, yeah, I have two of my grandfather's working pocket watches and a landfill full of digital watches that says that's wrong-headed thinking. (Once they realized how expensive network grade SSDs are they decided HDDs weren't so bad.)

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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 23:16:26 (permalink)
    jm24


    Read a bit about how smaller disks are better for audio recording.  So thinking about getting a small SSD to use for active projects.



    Don't know about smaller drives being better for audio recording, but what I do know is that on regular drives, access times are the fastest on the outside of the disk, then reduce steadily as you approach the inner. Therefore it makes sense to have your audio partition on the outside (typically, the left side when you're setting up your partitions in the partition diagram). It probably makes sense to stream samples from the outside as well. 
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 23:20:10 (permalink)
    partitioning is not good for most uses
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 23:22:04 (permalink)
    jm24


    partitioning is not good for most uses

    Yes, if you're talking about partitioning for audio and samples together for example, but there is nothing wrong with partitioning a music drive and using one of the partitions for archives and backups. It's best to place an archive partition on the inside of the disk, where spin speeds are slower. 
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/07 23:30:24 (permalink)
    1st disk:  win 7 32,    win7 64,    win 8
    2nd: samples, downloaded/install files/ CD creation files
    3rd: audio files

    externals:  3 disks,  backups,....
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/08 00:01:55 (permalink)
    Using a SSD for your Os drive is the way to go, be warned there not data drives for quality data drives use... Seagate Constellation ES (ST1000NM0011) 1TB SATA 6GB/s 64MB Cache
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/08 07:16:42 (permalink)
    I've been using Intel SSD's for the last three years. I've been using them ALL THE TIME. When I check the drives health status they are at 99,8%.

    At least from what me and my buddies have experienced. All the talk about SSD's not being reliable is highly exagerated.

    I would go for Intel drives though. I have heard that they have much lower failure-rates than other manufacturers.

    Pardon my poor english!

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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/08 14:22:34 (permalink)
    I tend to sometimes think all research is agenda based. I have been accused of thinking I was the  pilot of the helicopter that dropped the shooters off at the grassy Knoll. For this reason I tend to believe what metz is saying over this article, even though it is worth considering. 


    Again thanks for all of the opinions. 


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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/08 15:06:29 (permalink)
    I just built a new system.  I have the OS and recording software (Sonar, Melodyne, etc) on the SSD (an OCZ Vertex 4, 128GB).  Everything else is on a 1TB, 7200 RPM hard drive.  I also have a 1.5TB 5400RPM drive that I do full backups (both the SSD and 1TB) using Acronis True Image.  The new system has been up about 6 weeks and "operational" for about 4 weeks. 

    Sonar zings along.  Bouncing to clips used to take a little time on my old PC.  With the new one its almost instantly.

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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/08 22:43:46 (permalink)
    fireberd


    I just built a new system.  I have the OS and recording software (Sonar, Melodyne, etc) on the SSD (an OCZ Vertex 4, 128GB).  Everything else is on a 1TB, 7200 RPM hard drive.  I also have a 1.5TB 5400RPM drive that I do full backups (both the SSD and 1TB) using Acronis True Image.  The new system has been up about 6 weeks and "operational" for about 4 weeks. 

    Sonar zings along.  Bouncing to clips used to take a little time on my old PC.  With the new one its almost instantly.

    But are you streaming samples off of the same drive that you're recording audio onto, or are you just recording audio?
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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/09 06:51:59 (permalink)
    Not using samples.

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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/09 12:59:02 (permalink)
    I just added an SSD to my system a couple weeks ago, an Intel 330, which is not as fast as the Intel 550 line, but still a decent SATA 3 hard drive.

    I have to say that i haven't been totally blown away by the performance (though maybe that says more about my expectations than about the HDD itself). Boot times are quicker for sure, just over 20 seconds from power-on until i can start opening programs. Programs are snappier too. But the difference over the conventional drive i was using seems more quantitative than qualititative.

    One thing to add; at first i thought i had the SSD properly hooked up to a SATA 3 connector...then i figured out that i in fact used a SATA 2 connector -- hooking the drive up to the proper connector definitely made a pretty big difference.

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    Re:SSD Drive Configuration 2012/08/10 16:20:47 (permalink)
    I have 3 ocz ssd drives in my pc and love it! I use a sata3 drive for main and sata2 s for other things. I do have esata hdds running also but they are back up and storage. if you do go ssd be sure to set up your computer bios to AHCI to take full advantage of the new ssd drives. mine have been in for 3 years now and still going strong. sonar x1 runs fast as hell just on the main drive, but at 550mb read speeds it had better lol!
    good luck, have fun.

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