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2012/08/08 01:40:06 (permalink)

Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox

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I just purchased a PreSonus AudioBox 22VSL USB interface, and am having some issues with the audio drivers when I try to use it with Sonar.
 
When using the WDM drivers, I can only record at 16 bits.  When I switch to 24 bits the meter pegs in the red and I get a bunch of hiss and noise.
 
PreSonus recommends using the ASIO drivers, but when I switch to ASIO I get no input whatsoever.  Also, the the bit-depth selection and the buffer-size slider are grayed out after I apply the ASIO drivers.
 
I think I solved the problem by using the WASAPI drivers.  When using these, the wave profiler runs fine, all bit-rate and sample-rate options are selectable, and the few test tracks I recorded came out fine.
 
So my (hopefully academic) question is:  What's the difference between ASIO and WASAPI?  Should I be using the ASIO drivers as recommended by the manufacturer?  And if so, why isn't ASIO working in Sonar on my machine?
 
Hopefully I can just use the WASAPI drivers since they seem to be working fine, but I guess I want to know if there might be some problems I haven't encountered yet.  I'm also just curious about these issues with the other drivers...
 
Many thanks,
G.S.
post edited by Guitar Slim - 2012/08/08 01:45:20
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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2012/08/08 02:00:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
  Use what works for you. Different setups work differently with the various drivers. It is a good idea to test all the drivers available to see which work best in your environment. Presonus does recommend using ASIO but if you are getting good results using something else go with it. The buffer-size slider is not used with ASIO drivers that is why it is disabled in SONAR. In the case of Presonus, to alter the buffers use the Presonus AudioBox tool, the config tool supplied with your interface. Audiobox may also help you figure out your ASIO input issues.
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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2012/08/08 02:47:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Hi Slim,
  is the onboard soundcard enabled? 
This can be the reason for driver conflicts etc.

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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2012/08/08 09:04:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpful

bit-depth selection and the buffer-size slider are grayed out after I apply the ASIO drivers.

Right because you set up ASIO devices using the device's ASIO control panel, not Sonar's. This is normal. 

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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2012/08/08 14:05:16 (permalink)
Thanks for the help everyone.  Yes I have disabled all other audio devices, but have not uninstalled them.
 
The PreSonus has a "mixer" interface with some setup options.  Those include sampling rate and buffer size, but NOT bit depth.  However, I discovered there are more setup options you can access under the device properties in the Device Manager.  This DOES include bit depth as well as sampling rate. 
 
So, I made sure that EVERYTHING was set to the same bit depth and sampling rate (24-bit/48 kHz) -- in the device's graphic interface, under device properties, and under the Audio and Global options in Sonar.  Still no dice, no signal at all.
 
I'm perfectly happy using the WASAPI drivers instead.  These seem to have the added advantage of allowing me to adjust all of the parameters from within the DAW without having to open both the device interface and/or the device manager.
 
Still, this kind of stuff just BUGS me.  I will definitely contact PreSonus and see what they have to say.
 
Thanks again for all your help.   
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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2012/08/08 15:08:15 (permalink)
If Windows is set to use the Audiobox as a playback/recording device, make sure that the bit depth and sample rate match there as well. This can cause the interface to switch settings in the background. FWIW, I have a 44VSL and was able to get it working properly at 24/44.1 using WDM/KS. I did have to uninstall/reinstall the driver once though. If it keeps giving you trouble, I'd recommend that first. Make sure you completely remove any Presonus files before reinstalling and unplug the interface until the installer tells you to plug it in. One other thing I've learned from Presonus: The driver is apparently sensitive to which USB port you use and you should not switch ports without reinstalling the driver. Regards, Dan

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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2012/08/08 22:07:33 (permalink)
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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2012/08/13 08:58:54 (permalink)
Not yet. Just recently finished setting up the new DAW (from Studiocat). My old one died about 3 years ago and I had other priorities. Hopefully, I'll sit down and stare at a blank project soon ;) Regards, Dan
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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2013/05/29 18:08:04 (permalink)
The PreSonus has a "mixer" interface with some setup options.  Those include sampling rate and buffer size, but NOT bit depth.  However, I discovered there are more setup options you can access under the device properties in the Device Manager.  This DOES include bit depth as well as sampling rate. 





I just installed my 22vsl and having the same issues so after reading this I went to device manager and can find no way to change the bit depth (crazy as hell this isn't in the software...seems much more important than the onboard fx and stuff).
Also in a 24/44.1 project, Sonar X2 is showing 16/48...if I close the project and select 44.1 in the 22vsl software and then open the project back up, X2 switches the 22vsl back to 48K.
Any suggestions would be very much appreciated,
Randy

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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2013/05/29 20:00:47 (permalink)
not an insult, just the truth.
the audiobox is not the best interface in the world, the focusrite Safire 6 is much better and only a few bucks more.
the problem with the audio box is the levels stream too hot.
you cant control the input in sonar, because the box decides the input level.
I wrote presonus about it and they said they were aware of the issue and the fix was to but a DI box.
sure, im going to buy a DI box for another 30 bucks.
so I returned it and got the focusrite Safire 6 usb.
the Safire's pres are award winning focusrite, they sound it as well.
its like a pre amp, a nice warm sound.

do a search here on the forum, youll see a few threads about it.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2233313&high=audiobox



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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2013/05/30 08:19:54 (permalink)
Thanks Charlie but that's not my issue and I knew before buying that I would have to have a DI box if I wanted to insert a line level signal.
I want to keep it because the mic pres have gotten great reviews (and Jim Roseberry recommended it).
I feel sure it's just a matter of finding out how to configure...I'll call support today and see what they have to say and report back.
Thanks again bud,
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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2013/05/30 08:56:49 (permalink)
Randy,

If you have already recorded any audio in Sonar at 16/48, Sonar will always reset the rate/depth to match the project's audio. You must set the rate/depth in Preferences  before recording. Once I figured that out, I never had to change the settings in the VSL control panel, or anywhere else.

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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2013/05/30 09:20:18 (permalink)
If you have already recorded any audio in Sonar at 16/48, Sonar will always reset the rate/depth to match the project's audio. 


Yessir, I learned that one the hard way long ago.
I get 16/48 opening any old project that was recorded in 24 bit (some 44.1 some 48 depending on what the delivery calls for).
If I start a new project it opens in 16/44.1
If I go to prefs 24 bit is greyed out regardless of which driver mode I choose.
Presonus support opens in 45 minutes...I'll give them a call then and report back.
Thanks Dan,
Randy

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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2013/05/30 13:12:33 (permalink)
Presonus support stated there is no bit depth selection in the software, that it's controlled by the DAW...he didn't know why X2 shows 16 bit in the transport area and 24 bit (greyed out) in audio prefs.
Jim Roseberry suggested I buy it so I PMed him and will hopefully get a reply...not a big deal as it seems to be working fine just really curious as to why X2 would show 16 bit in the transport area.

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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2013/05/30 15:02:52 (permalink)
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Presonus support stated there is no bit depth selection in the software, that it's controlled by the DAW...he didn't know why X2 shows 16 bit in the transport area and 24 bit (greyed out) in audio prefs.
Jim Roseberry suggested I buy it so I PMed him and will hopefully get a reply...not a big deal as it seems to be working fine just really curious as to why X2 would show 16 bit in the transport area.

Have you tried switching driver modes? I think I had better luck using WDM/KS than ASIO. Presonus' driver isn't the greatest, but once you have it working, it is rock solid (so far). I've had some big projects using the 44VSL and haven't even had a single dropout, and I'm using lots of in-the-box stuff. But I nearly pulled my last hair out getting it to work properly with my machine.
 
IIRC, once I changed to WDM/KS, ran the Sonar audio profiler, changed to 24bit, then switched to ASIO, everything worked. BTW, I am also running Presonus' beta driver. I never installed the one that shipped on the CD, and the download (non-beta) driver never worked.
 
Regards,
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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2013/05/30 16:24:22 (permalink)
I tried everything you suggested Dan but got the same results...thanks though

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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2018/02/25 09:34:07 (permalink)
Old thread but I'm having exactly the same problem. I just bought a AudioBox 1818VSL and I cannot set bit depth to 24. It does work properly at 44.1kHz/16bit
 
With no project open:
 
In ASIO the bit depth is grayed out and as mentioned the Presonus driver does not allow bit depth setting.
 
With WASAPI I get the error message "The default format is not compatible with one or more sounds cards. It has been reset to 44100 Hz (16bit) as suggested by the driver." (there are no other sound cards enabled)
 
WDM/KS accepts 24 bit but creating a new project and recording creates 16 bit audio files.


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Re:Audio driver issues with PreSonus AudioBox 2018/02/25 13:37:34 (permalink)
ASIO drivers often do not have adjustable bit depth. IIRC, Presonus VSL ASIO drivers use 32bit. However, the Audio Driver Bit Depth is not the value shown in the Transport Module. The value shown in the Transport Module is the Record Bit Depth.
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