Vocal boost pedal?

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2012/08/09 20:10:37 (permalink)

Vocal boost pedal?

I perform a song live where I have to almost whisper one part, even though the music is still playing quite loudly around me, and I'm having real trouble making myself heard at this point.
 
Is there any kind of boost pedal that I could use to momentarily increase my volume by a few dB?
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    Bristol_Jonesey
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/10 04:05:50 (permalink)
    Can't you just whisper louder?

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/10 07:33:19 (permalink)
    Sorry, don't know about the pedals, I assume there are such, but isn't there a big risk of feedback loop?

    Aren't there volume pedals for guitars? Could such work for you?

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/10 09:09:35 (permalink)
    turn up the gain and you risk feedback. 

    When I played live, we normally ran the vocal mics up as far as we could go before feedback occurred. Set the EQ and make minor adjustments and let it roll from there. 

    I don't know of any magic bullets that will get your vocal any louder on a live stage without exceeding the feedback threshold.  The best option would be to have the other players play softer if the goal is hearing the whisper vocals...... it will add some cool dynamic to the song. Or, have just one thing play like a muted guitar part.... be creative. 

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/10 09:12:20 (permalink)
    "The best option would be to have the other players play softer if the goal is hearing the whisper vocals...... it will add some cool dynamic to the song. Or, have just one thing play like a muted guitar part.... be creative." Not really an option when you're trying to do a faithful cover of a Slipknot song!!
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/10 10:21:37 (permalink)
    Slipknot probably has an automated volume level controller on the vocals that is already synched to the faithful backing tracks the band plays sync to.



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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/10 14:49:39 (permalink)
    you can do things in a studio that you can not do on stage as easily.  I wonder how the slipknot did it on stage.....? 

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/12 01:21:18 (permalink)
    For live performances when getting into that quiet whisper type range try "cupping" the mic in your hands or at least sliding the hand you are holding the mic with up around the top of it (choke up on it so-to-speak). This causes more of the upper frequencies to bounce off your hand and back into the mic giving you more high end presence. I use this trick while performing Bodies from Drowning Pool. check out the video here: http://www.youtube.com/wa...K7j2xqxGE&feature=plcp

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/12 19:45:56 (permalink)
    This is what I use, it works quite well.
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/12 20:31:45 (permalink)
    I think I missed your point. If there was one?
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/12 20:35:01 (permalink)
      Yeah, we do that one, too. Which bit do you mean? I don't have the problem on that one. The problem is, it's not the high end frequencies that are being lost here, because the cover is of "Duality", where the quiet bit is actually the very low spoken part.
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/12 20:42:32 (permalink)
    That last reply was for ChuckC, btw.
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/12 20:46:21 (permalink)
    Would it be possible to have some kind of junction box, where my single mic lead goes into it and it has two outputs (say A and B) and there's a footswitch to change between the A and B output, with them going to different inputs on the mixer, set at different volumes? A bit like a footswitch which toggles between two channels of a guitar amp for solos? Would there still be a gain/feedback problem?
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/13 08:32:08 (permalink)
    Yeah, that's possible.

    You are going out of your way to make a very simple thing very complicated.

    I know you are not doing it on purpose and your questions are sincere, but I suggest you drop back and reflect on how simple your desired outcome is and find a simple solution to get there.



    If you really want to switch a mic signal in a floor box we'll have to start talking about buffer amps, relay switches, power supplies, and... etc.

    You can get a passive mic splitter... but a mic switcher will make noise if you don't have all that other stuff I started to babble about.

    If you really want to switch a mic signal in a floor box then I suggest you shop for one of the very few vocal stomp boxes that are out there. Some of them have really cool effects built in.

    I've seen a few, I imagine most of them that I am aware of have been discontinued due to a lack of interest in the market.

    If you really wish to go that route then you'll want to search out the latest, greatest version of a vocal stomp box and try it for your self.



    I recommend that you choose a simple solution.


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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/13 08:53:11 (permalink)
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    Would it be possible to have some kind of junction box, where my single mic lead goes into it and it has two outputs (say A and B) and there's a footswitch to change between the A and B output, with them going to different inputs on the mixer, set at different volumes? A bit like a footswitch which toggles between two channels of a guitar amp for solos? Would there still be a gain/feedback problem?


    Does this mean you don't have someone running your sound for you?  wouldn't it be simplier just to have the soundman adjust the gain for you?  (serious question - I'm not trying to be a smarta$$).

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/13 11:02:35 (permalink)

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/13 12:31:33 (permalink)
    Yeah, it would appear I'm making it more difficult than it needs to be. I checked out a few videos of them performing it live and vocalist Corey Taylor delivers it very differently to the recorded versions, and doesn't seem to need any trickery, so I'll go with that. Beagle - yeah, when we're playing somewhere with an in-house PA, this kind of thing can be sorted quite easily, but when we're doing our own sound we don't have anyone extra along to help us, so I'd end up having to run around a lot! And for mike-mccue - Slipknot don't synch. Their shows are raw, real and all the better for it ;)
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/13 13:02:28 (permalink)

    I've sort of been waiting for you to figure out that they don't sound the same live as on the mp3. I thought "whisper louder" was the best advice you were offered.

    As far as sync... everybody is pretty much sync'd to that 133Mhz fellow... his outputs can be used to switch just about anything you can dream up.

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/13 15:05:58 (permalink)
    Yeah, but it's not really a whisper. It's more of a low talking voice at that point, with a bit of lo-fi distortion added, I think. Not easy to explain, and not easy to project loudly, either. The delivery has to be changed quite dramatically, so that it's not actually spoken but kind of sounds like it is. If you know what I mean. Not sure what you mean by the 133Mhz thing.... over my head, I think.
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/13 15:20:43 (permalink)
    I'll admit that I don't know a whole bunch about slipknot... but I do know a little bit about live singing vocal effects.

    A lot of it falls under "just do it."

    Here's a vocal I did a year or two ago... it's just a vocal straight into a mic with a tiny bit of compression. Almost all the "effect" is happening between the gut and the mic.

    http://harmoniccycle.com/...es/M3lLT%20DoWn_2K.mp3


    Now, that's not a whipser, but it is an example of vocal "theatrics"... and I think that's what some of us mean when we speak about "whispering louder".

    I think the simple and best approach might be to just go for it and make the sound you want to hear.



    Anyways... it's just an opinion.

    all the best,
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/13 15:47:27 (permalink)
    Yeah, that's not dissimilar to the vocal delivery Corey Taylor uses on "Duality". However, the crucial difference is that on your example the delivery is used all the way through the track, whereas on "Duality" it is only used on the verse, with the chorus vocal really being belted out at a far higher volume. I think the key is to turn up the vocal volume as high as I dare when it comes to doing that song, and simply holding the mic further away when I do the chorus.
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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/14 02:15:11 (permalink)
    Perhaps a Condensor mic (or other powered mic) could be switched on for colorful whispers ... or a condensor mic with the windshield slit for easy removal during whispers ... or a condensor mic whose angle can be hand manipulated

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/14 07:12:05 (permalink)
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    Hey Reece, neither was I:

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    I agree!

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    Re:Vocal boost pedal? 2012/08/20 19:40:59 (permalink)
     I would think guitar overdrive pre amp should do the trick for that ...no?

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