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2012/08/13 07:47:18 (permalink)

Kicked my self off a stage yesterday


I got cajoled into setting up a stage and a rig yesterday. The guy who had the job copped out and double booked his self so somehow I got "volunteered" to use my Van, run the crew, do the load in and set it all up.

The gig was a festival benefit and a bunch of musicians were lined up to have a good show, so someone had to make something happen. I said O.K.

We set 80% of it up and the rest was waiting for the owner/operator to show up to show us what his inaccurately labeled, dedicated custom cable bundles plugged in to.

I could have easily set up a rig from scratch but these "prewired" rigs can be more confusing because everything is arbitrary and it is all just how it is... you can't effectively use your skills to make wild guesses about what someone hid inside a custom bundle job.

I was feeling good and satisfied that this old guy (me) had kept the event moving along on time... and then the "sound guy" shows up, late of course, and does that "I'm a sound guy" horse's arse stuff that I've heard people say that all "sound guys" do.

I waited till we had sound up and running and then I split out the back to escape to places where people are nice to each other.


Sometimes I wonder...

Anyways, just blowing off some steam.


best regards,
mike



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    Old55
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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 09:02:07 (permalink)
    Leaving was probably your best move.  I hope the benefit was for a good cause.  

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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 09:39:08 (permalink)

    I think it was for a good cause.

    I've often felt that benefits were ineffectual at benefiting. It seems, to me, like a straight forward round of passing the hat is far more effective at delivering resources to an intended recipient.


    Thanks Jan, yes... I felt that there was no need to see stay and see how far the drama could be taken before we broke on through to honest discussion... so it seemed like I'd been as helpful as I could be and that was all I could accomplish in that scenario. Any further discussion about how to have a discussion would not have been helpful.

    I'm still a bit shaken by the incident... as I have become so accustomed to working on teams where everyone knows how to demonstrate a desire to work as a team.




    I guess I should focus on the idea that I'm lucky to think good team work is normal.


    best regards,
    mike



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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 09:52:03 (permalink)
    Team work is often hampered when I start thinking I'm the one that's in the right, and then throw my toys out of the pram when folk are not listening to me because they have valid ideas too.

    It's a fine line.

    Putting on an event should be a way of attracting more people to pass the hat round to.  Certainly if you can't manage that then give directly, then bless the rest of the team for managing a success without you.  If you only ended up ferrying gear then rejoice that your input helped toward that success.

    If giving expects some reward or accolade then it ain't truly giving.
    post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/08/13 10:00:58

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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 10:07:12 (permalink)

    Yeah the discussion wasn't about good and bad ways of doing things... the discussion was more basic:

    Q: "Glad you're here... can you tell me what these 8 XLRs on this bundle coming out of that rack plug in to?"

    A: "I'll do it myself"


    note: the real answer was 1 from the rack goes in to 13 on the stage box with a reversal adapter from the bag hidden in the rack. 2 goes in to 14... etc. etc.



    Re: Benefits... I guess it makes more sense in bigger towns where everyone doesn't actually already know everyone already.

    I think about the real cost of all the volunteer work and think about what a production would actually cost without volunteers... and then I think about how much revenue could be generated by substituting all the volunteering with minimal cash donations... and I end up thinking that very few small town benefits seem effectual... they seem more like parties to me. The thing is, I'm usually one of the volunteers wondering how effectual our efforts are rather than one of the folks partying. :-)


    best regards,
    mike




    post edited by mike_mccue - 2012/08/13 10:10:18


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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 10:10:23 (permalink)
    Jonbouy


    If giving expects some reward or accolade then it ain't truly giving.

    Agreed.


    Now taking on the other hand (such as taxes and fees ), that's a horse of a different story, roight?
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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 10:17:06 (permalink)

    "If giving expects some reward or accolade then it ain't truly giving."

    Back in our bicycle shop days we used to, year in, year out, give a friend of ours a bike that we paid $200 for to raffle off at his annual fundraiser.

    He used to come back and brag that they got $100 for the bike.

    We weren't looking for an advertising outlet... we were looking to help.

    Eventually we stopped the madness and started donating the $200 directly, sans bike, so he couldn't squander $100 of our money on an annual basis.

    True story. Heartless charity at it's best. It really frustrated us to give him $200 and then see that only some fraction of $100 made it to the actual beneficiary. I've never felt the slighest bit of guilt about changing up the game and simply forcing him to accept $200 from us as a direct donation. Sometimes good charitable deeds do come with strings attached. :-)


    all the best,
    mike



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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 10:23:27 (permalink)
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    Jonbouy


    If giving expects some reward or accolade then it ain't truly giving.

    Agreed.


    Now taking on the other hand (such as taxes and fees ), that's a horse of a different story, roight?


    Ya, that's dues.  Although you should still give freely and without question.

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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 10:32:37 (permalink)
     I hate those types of situations where there is no teamwork charity or not.

      One way I have dealt with it is to simply say, It's all yours Jimbo,have at it. I would have been tempted to say,"While you're at it might as well load all of this equipment when you're finished". See ya, have fun!

     I would not have said it but I would have been tempted.

     I totally agree with your views on charities Mike. Isn't it about maximum benefit to the charity recipient? If a community wants to have fun and needs an excuse to have a hoopla then there are plenty of excuses. 

     Unfortunately the only way many people help a charity is if there is something in it for them.Would the Girl Scouts raise any money without cookies? Probably not as much.


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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 10:34:31 (permalink)

    Thanks Starise.

    I do like those cookies!

    :-)


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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 10:43:47 (permalink)
    Bapu charges tax just for his benefit 

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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/13 23:47:08 (permalink)
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    Bapu charges tax just for his benefit 


    Maybe you should hold a benefit concert for your Foundation?

     
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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/14 11:37:54 (permalink)
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    Bapu charges tax just for his benefit 


    Maybe you should hold a benefit concert for your Foundation?

    Ive done that two times. 


    The first time Bapu didn't even show up and people demanded their foundation donation back .




    The second time Bapu showed up ....and they DEMANDED their donation back after meetting him 




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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/14 19:52:10 (permalink)
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    I was feeling good and satisfied that this old guy (me) had kept the event moving along on time... and then the "sound guy" shows up, late of course, and does that "I'm a sound guy" horse's arse stuff that I've heard people say that all "sound guys" do.


    best regards,
    mike

    Excuse me - is this correct? A sound guy who just "show up"? He didn't rig anything? He was just late? He came to work and just started fiddling with the knobs and making stuff sound alright? He didn't have to lift anything? Especially not anything heavy? He just "shows up" - late - like a rock star? 










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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/15 08:14:40 (permalink)
    Yeah, It's what we call white glove mixing.

    I use to do a bit of that back in my day. :-)

    The thing is, I was happy and proud to set up his rig just as he had instructed me to. I was hoping to be a team player, and I wanted everything to be done "his" way. That was my goal and I was almost there.

    Running the crew was awkward, as they lug the gear often... but I was the guy who had to direct the placement and patching of everything. I made every effort to not seem like the "new guy" and we were all getting along great while waiting for the owner/op to clear his schedule and get over to this gig.

    What I found out is that team playing is something some people know about and other people don't.

    Many years ago I was this guys mentor and he has frequently acknowledged all the help I offered him back then. Now I am happy to be his occasional helper and I happily acknowledge that live sound tech is a lot more hi-tech than back when I was in my prime. He knows that I think he's a guy that's up to speed these days... and he knows I feel a bit over my head stepping in to today's pre wired, drive racked rigs cold because I no longer do it every day.

    This situation was more like a Dr Jekyll, Mr Hyde episode... it wasn't like any pent up issues surfaced... it was an old and good friend turning into "that sound guy" right before my eyes.

    He just showed up and decided to be uncommunicative and it was too public a venue to have a discussion about that...  every time I asked him a question he was a "insert bad word here" and it was all about *control* and not about the content of the information. Bummer.




    Anyways, It turns out the event was a success and that there was dancing and eating and a great time had by all. I had wanted to enjoy it so... but the mood was sort of set for me in a bad way so I think escaping with no drama was the best choice.

    I'm real glad that the event was a success.


    all the best,
    mike






    post edited by mike_mccue - 2012/08/15 08:19:24


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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/15 08:25:59 (permalink)
    I was a regular sound guy at a venue here in Oslo some years ago. A decent but small PA installed, a mixer in place and not much to it. The bands carried their own stuff and I just set up the microphones. Paid in cash and plenty of free beer. That was pretty cool.

    I've worked on hundreds of live shows elsewhere and it always involve carrying something, either in or out of the venue. When doing lights I can sometimes pretend to be too busy to help carrying the gear into the venue but I can assure you, I have to do some heavy lifting on the way out. Bah, I'd take the white glow thing any day

    I'm happy to hear that the gig went well Mike. There's hardly any thing more satisfying than that even if there's a couple of ego's taking up too much space.

    Every once in a while I play with the idea of going back to Live shows full time. I'm sick of working in a studio. I'd rather do that on my own time.
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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/15 08:32:49 (permalink)

    :-)

    Thanks to all of you for letting me blow off some steam.

    It was/is therapeutic.

    :-)

    best,
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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/15 08:33:40 (permalink)
    That's what forum's are for - isn't it?

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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/15 10:27:07 (permalink)
     Yep, you can blow off just about anything here and get away with it.

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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/15 11:08:34 (permalink)
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     Yep, you can blow off just about anything here and get away with it.

    Daryl blows off his arse steam all the time here. 
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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/16 21:37:57 (permalink)
    That's what ya get when ya put too many cooks on the same pot of soup. Every time you set up a bands rig you have to know what the booth is giving you. You should have never been left hanging on a system hookup.

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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/16 23:26:52 (permalink)
    I was at Pigeon Forge one time listening to a very popular old timey trio. Forget their name now, couldn't have been too popular I guess. Heh. It was an old barn made in to a small venue. They do a quick sound check and I hear this low ringing fading in and out. I'm watching the sound guy, and halfway through the first song he walks out of the building. By the third song the ringing was so bad people started leaving and the sound guy was nowhere to be found. Never saw him come back in, and we left by the end of the 4th song because it was so bad. I told the wife I was going to go up and fix it and she freaked out and told me to sit down and shush. She doesn't like it when I make a scene.

    There's something about sound guys. Reminds me of a scene in the movie Groundhog's Day. The camera guy is putting the moves on a babe at the bar. He says, "People think all I do is point the camera and shoot ..." as the girl nods her head yes and kinda shrugs her shoulders as she's sipping her drink and ignoring him. Then he finishes his sentence, "... but it's so much more than that." LOL!

    I was in a band with a guy who was in a group that was all family before he hooked up with us. They were very popular in North Jersey, for the life of me I don't know why though. LOL! They didn't speak to each other for years when they split up because the lead singers husband (husband was the outsider) took the sound board and Elvis costume. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! True story! The argument was, even though the husband owned the Elvis costume (white jump suite with sequins LOL) the other lead singer (male) wore it and he felt he should get it because it didn't even fit the guy that took it, and even though the husband owned the sound board too, he could never figure out how to use it and the guy who ran it, which was also the other lead singer who wore the Elvis costume, felt he earned the right to take it because he wasn't paid extra to be the sound guy on top of the Elvis impersonator. LOL!! Good times man, good times. All true. Can't make this stuff up.

    On a side note, I dated the lead singer after she split from her hubby, or there-abouts. ;) Oh my she was a lot of fun. Oh yeah, maybe that's why they were so popular.

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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/16 23:59:33 (permalink)
    Mike you didn't wear your Elvis costume did you?

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    Re:Kicked my self off a stage yesterday 2012/08/17 08:06:42 (permalink)
    No, but I have helped dress up a Senator in one... in a public bathroom... for a shoot where he was doing a gag for a fun times story we were doing.

    A couple years later I worked with the same Senator, who was now Senate President and my client du'jour took great pains to coach me on how I was too address and speak to a V.I.P. such as a Senator. I was just some hired help. It's all true. I understood where the client was coming from.

    Said Senator walks up to our location set and I step up and modestly put out my hand in greeting, then I let loose a low rumbling "hello ELLLLLLLvisssssssssss!!!" and the the V.I.P and I had ourselves a big ol barrel belly laugh while the client looked at us like we were crazy.

    :-)

    Good times!

    :-)






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