g_randybrown
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scoring to video...arrrgh!
It seems there is not an application available yet that can do everything X1 can do and also play 1 track of video (with several clips on the track). I looked around for ways to slave one computer to the other but the examples I saw used logic or PT on a Mac synced to another Mac. Does anyone know if there's a way to have X1 on one PC and say Vegas Pro on another, synced to where I could hit play/record on the X1 PC and it play the Vegas timeline on the other PC? Thanks very much, Randy
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 10:16:28
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You should be able to do that with MTC/MMC perhaps. I used to sync a Yamaha Aw4416 to Sonar that way. Why not a second PC? There was a bit of delay in the start/stop between machines though..
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 10:21:13
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Why can't you finish editing the clips on Vegas and then export the AVI and import it into Sonar to add the audio? I believe that's how Sonar is intended to work with video.
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 10:25:07
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Daveny, I can't speak for the OP, by my experience is that directors often change the timeline, leave things blank, chop and swop etc - nothing is set in stone till the deadine. Sonar single-clip policy has been a source of annoyance for me on more than one occasion as well.
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 10:36:32
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 11:51:47
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LJB Daveny, I can't speak for the OP, by my experience is that directors often change the timeline, leave things blank, chop and swop etc - nothing is set in stone till the deadine. Sonar single-clip policy has been a source of annoyance for me on more than one occasion as well. The MTC thing sound like a great idea and I have thought of trying it many times, but I have never had a real hard core reason to try it. I think if I scored a long movie and needed wall to wall music I might try this. i don't like working in larger than 10-15 min video chunks in Sonar As far as directors changing timelines, blank areas etc... Yes this happens to me every week. I just plop the changes into Vegas and then go to work on the audio in Sonar. I usually look really good to the producers 'cause they know they can throw anything at me, I don't complain, I turn around and even on a bad day, give them a decent sounding track. Some of them can't figure how I do it, how I can get a hit to happen in the right spot when they sent me elements on different days and different pic references. It is because i can do a little video editing and I have a ton of experience and a solid working template in both vegas and Sonar. The idea of having multiple Video tracks and timelines in Sonar seems to me to be a recipe for disaster and asking for sync issues. I can't seem to wrap my head around how that would work. Maybe I'm just too simple minded. So would you have the timeline solid in Sonar and you could move multiple videos back and forth? When you moved the video would everything in Sonar follow it including audio, midi and tempo maps? how does that work? SO back to the OP...sorry 'bout the hijack..I'd suggest trying to sync thru MTC. That should be pretty easy to do thru midi cables if both computers have midi cards. If not a router with a midi app should work. I use to do this with GigaStudio on another computer. It was a little PITA cause if you'd have to reboot anything you had to resync everything. I'd still suggest working with smaller picture chunks on one computer. Put Vegas to work here.
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g_randybrown
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 12:36:30
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Dave- Why can't you finish editing the clips on Vegas and then export the AVI and import it into Sonar to add the audio? I believe that's how Sonar is intended to work with video. Jimbo- The idea of having multiple Video tracks and timelines in Sonar seems to me to be a recipe for disaster and asking for sync issues. I can't seem to wrap my head around how that would work. Maybe I'm just too simple minded. So would you have the timeline solid in Sonar and you could move multiple videos back and forth? When you moved the video would everything in Sonar follow it including audio, midi and tempo maps? how does that work? Maybe this will make sense: I am creating the video and the audio...music montages if you will. So I usually create the music in Sonar and then cut the images to fit the audio in Vegas. Creating the music to a single file video is not practical at all if you think about it. What would suffice in my work would be to be able to have just one video track in Sonar but be able to add several clips to that track and cut them, slip edit them whatever to work with the audio. Then export back to Vegas to tighten up the video. If you've ever made more than a few music montages you'd be able to relate to this I think.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 14:44:14
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Hey Randy, You might find that syncing Vegas and Sonar (on the same DAW - if it's fast enough) to be a little less tedious. That said... I'd just use Vegas to convert the video to Windows Media Video (.wmv) format... and do the Scoring work in Sonar.
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 16:14:57
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g_randybrown Dave- Why can't you finish editing the clips on Vegas and then export the AVI and import it into Sonar to add the audio? I believe that's how Sonar is intended to work with video. Jimbo- The idea of having multiple Video tracks and timelines in Sonar seems to me to be a recipe for disaster and asking for sync issues. I can't seem to wrap my head around how that would work. Maybe I'm just too simple minded. So would you have the timeline solid in Sonar and you could move multiple videos back and forth? When you moved the video would everything in Sonar follow it including audio, midi and tempo maps? how does that work? Maybe this will make sense: I am creating the video and the audio...music montages if you will. So I usually create the music in Sonar and then cut the images to fit the audio in Vegas. Creating the music to a single file video is not practical at all if you think about it. What would suffice in my work would be to be able to have just one video track in Sonar but be able to add several clips to that track and cut them, slip edit them whatever to work with the audio. Then export back to Vegas to tighten up the video. If you've ever made more than a few music montages you'd be able to relate to this I think. Ahhhh..I got you. In my world picture is king and you don't mess with the timeline for fear of death! You want to tweak Picture as you go along. Have you tried Nuendo? Im not sure I could handle being able to move both. I could only work with one at a time. One reason is, I can make music match picture any time, any place. If I had to do it with a stop watch and manuscript score I'd be fine with that (probably happier). I would cut the picture then make the music work. You have a special situation. Good luck with that. Nuendo is the only solution I think might be possible, but I have not heard great things about Steinburg.
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g_randybrown
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 16:53:48
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You might find that syncing Vegas and Sonar (on the same DAW - if it's fast enough) to be a little less tedious.
I'm all for less tedious, can you tell me where to find out how to do this? That said... I'd just use Vegas to convert the video to Windows Media Video (.wmv) format... and do the Scoring work in Sonar. I don't think you quite understand the workflow I'm talking about Jim....these are music montages of fast cars etc with no scene being longer than a few seconds and has to hit right on the beat. What I've done in the past is compose the music and import the finished mastered wav into Vegas...I can't imagine even trying to do it the opposite way (although I have with slow moving documentaries or corporate vids that just need music beds here and there). Have you tried Nuendo? No sir but I'll have a look...thanks very much guys
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 17:52:20
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You can open Sonar & Vegas at the same time. Before install an internal MIDI sync like MIDI Yoke, it acts like an MIDI interface. So in SONAR you choose Yoke in the MIDI preferences and in Vegas as well and put it in slave, viola. I did it once when Sonar 8.5 was not playing my video any more in the middle of a production, here´s the link: http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm]http://www.midiox.com/index.htm? http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm[/link] cheers
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g_randybrown
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/16 23:06:04
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Sounds very interesting but I get this when clicking on your 1st link 404: Page not found This error is generated when there was no web page with the name you specified at the web site. Troubleshooting suggestions: Ensure the page you are linking to exists in the correct folder. Check your file name for case sensitivity . Index.htm is not the same as index.htm! Temporarily disable any rewrite rules by renaming your .htaccess file if it exists. The 2nd link works but I'm not sure where to go from there. I'd sure appreciate it if you could elaborate at your convenience sir. Randy
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/17 04:52:03
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/17 06:50:04
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Use Premiere Pro. I'm a sound designer for movies and have to track lay sound edits. My worksflow is always get your video edit, import it into Sonar then edit the sound to the timeline. If you want to edit video and sound at the same time work on the video edit in Premiere or something, then to delve further into sound export the locked video edit into Sonar.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/17 14:59:46
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I don't think you quite understand the workflow I'm talking about Jim....these are music montages of fast cars etc with no scene being longer than a few seconds and has to hit right on the beat. What I've done in the past is compose the music and import the finished mastered wav into Vegas...I can't imagine even trying to do it the opposite way (although I have with slow moving documentaries or corporate vids that just need music beds here and there). Hi Randy, Could you lay out the various video clips in Vegas... then render the whole as a .wmv file? You could import this single .wmv video file into Sonar... and score each "montage" as part one singular project. You could then bounce down the audio in Sonar... and import into Vegas. If audio is slightly off with the hit-points... you could nudge the audio.
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Re:scoring to video...arrrgh!
2012/08/17 16:48:01
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This is really low ball editing...but I use the cheapie Pinnacle Studio, that lets you drag a couple of video tracks around and has two audio (stereo) as well. I do the "serious" audio in Sonar, but import into Pinnacle and drag as needed. Usually the first audio track is a reference, if I'm adding additional audio down the line. And I always import what are "finished mixes" at the time. I have to think Vegas lets you do the same or more.
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