elsongs
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Long Pause Before Playback?
Have any of you noticed this? I've been a longtime Cakewalk Pro Audio/Sonar user and only recently upgraded to X1. I've noticed that when you hit play, there's a long pause of maybe two seconds before the song actually plays. This seems to have nothing to do with audio latency; I'm able to listen to audio and play softsynths just fine. But this long pause seems kind of unnerving, I've never noticed it in any previous Cakewalk version.
And yes, I've unchecked the "Zero Controllers" and "Searchback" options in the settings.
Is this normal for X1?
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/19 05:39:00
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I randomly get this sometimes but a simple reboot resolves this issue for me.
What sound card are you running?
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mattplaysguitar
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/19 07:09:57
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How's your CPU going? Does this happen on a brand new track with say just one audio or midi clip and no effects (ie minimal computational needs)? What does your latency say you're getting? If you can play nicely in real time with direct monitoring, then sounds like your latency is good..
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/19 07:57:26
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That is the symptoms of a poor driver. Have you upgraded them recently? The latest isn't always the greatest.
The latest drivers for my ZED-R16 have exactly the same problem for example. Rolling back a version or updating them will probably fix it.
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/19 13:05:17
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Have you checked to see if you have the metronome volume is off but still have a measure of count in?
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/19 16:33:54
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mattplaysguitar
How's your CPU going? Does this happen on a brand new track with say just one audio or midi clip and no effects (ie minimal computational needs)? What does your latency say you're getting? If you can play nicely in real time with direct monitoring, then sounds like your latency is good..
Brand spanking new system with an i& 3.6 GHz processor and 16GB RAM. CPU meter is at the lowest noticeable reading. I can play nicely in real time with about 2.9ms of latency. Absolutely no problems with softsynths. Just the lag when I hit play.
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/19 17:08:08
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el: just a shot in the dark here, but what do your setting look like in "Sync and Caching"?  Anything higher than 512 for me introduces a lag when I hit space bar. Are you at 1024 or higher by chance? That's the only time I've ever gotten a bit of lag. With really insane projects where there's lots of audio tracks, increasing I/O buffer sizes will drop the "hard disc" percentage. I always use 512 here but there have been a few times where 1024 was needed, thus there was a half a second lag before audio would start and stop. It's worth checking just to be sure. You should be fine with 256 or 512 in both of those boxes though. If it's higher than that, definitely try dropping it and your lag should go away. Hope this helps and you find out what it is. Good luck. -Danny
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elsongs
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/19 18:08:58
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Danny Danzi
el: just a shot in the dark here, but what do your setting look like in "Sync and Caching"?
Anything higher than 512 for me introduces a lag when I hit space bar. Are you at 1024 or higher by chance? That's the only time I've ever gotten a bit of lag. With really insane projects where there's lots of audio tracks, increasing I/O buffer sizes will drop the "hard disc" percentage. I always use 512 here but there have been a few times where 1024 was needed, thus there was a half a second lag before audio would start and stop. It's worth checking just to be sure. You should be fine with 256 or 512 in both of those boxes though. If it's higher than that, definitely try dropping it and your lag should go away. Hope this helps and you find out what it is. Good luck.
-Danny
Mine are set default to 256.
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/19 18:10:25
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OscarLaun
Have you checked to see if you have the metronome volume is off but still have a measure of count in?
Your reply sounded like the most logical explanation so I checked...and... ...nope. Had nothing to do with metronome. It was on count-off for recording only. The lag only happens during playback; the stop/rew/ff commands are instantaneous.
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elsongs
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/19 18:13:01
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Okay I figured out the cause of my playback pause!
On a whim, I changed my audio driver from the default WDM/KS to ASIO and did a Wave Profile...
BOOM! INSTANTANEOUS PLAYBACK!
I seem to have two Softsynth tracks in my project, both VSTis, so wonder if that is a factor. I haven't played anything back with straight audio tracks running under WDM/KS though.
Which type of audio driver is everyone here using, WDM or ASIO?
I kinda like how you can adjust the latency on WDM whereas it's more of a fixed deal with ASIO. But if ASIO is the way to go these days, then I gotta get used to it.
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/20 13:51:19
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elsongs
Okay I figured out the cause of my playback pause!
On a whim, I changed my audio driver from the default WDM/KS to ASIO and did a Wave Profile...
BOOM! INSTANTANEOUS PLAYBACK!
I seem to have two Softsynth tracks in my project, both VSTis, so wonder if that is a factor. I haven't played anything back with straight audio tracks running under WDM/KS though.
Which type of audio driver is everyone here using, WDM or ASIO?
I kinda like how you can adjust the latency on WDM whereas it's more of a fixed deal with ASIO. But if ASIO is the way to go these days, then I gotta get used to it.
Thank God you sorted it out. :) You should be able to use WDM without a lag though. However, I cannot use WDM at all since I switched to Win 7. I prefer WDM due to running several sound cards which it allows me to use at once. ASIO only allows for 1. That said, I believe the majority here use ASIO as it does improve latency and other performance issues. I never had a problem with WDM or latency until Win 7 though. I could get down to 1.5 ms I believe it was with WDM and 0.7 with ASIO. That's the only difference on my end. But if ASIO works, that's really what you should be using as most soundcards today are built using those drivers. WDM is an older driver format...so if you make things work with ASIO, keeping it there would be your best bet in my opinion. Glad you found out what it was. :) -Danny
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/20 14:58:34
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elsongs
Okay I figured out the cause of my playback pause!
On a whim, I changed my audio driver from the default WDM/KS to ASIO and did a Wave Profile...
BOOM! INSTANTANEOUS PLAYBACK!
Ahem....post #4..  In my experience you'll find one of the driver modes works better than the other and that will vary from interface to interface. I've used both at one time or another. The WDM driver for my current interface (ZED-R16) is virtually unusable, and as I said earlier the latest ASIO driver gives exactly the same symptoms, long pause before playback but other than that works perfectly. At least you've got it running.......
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elsongs
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/20 15:40:54
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elsongs
Okay I figured out the cause of my playback pause!
On a whim, I changed my audio driver from the default WDM/KS to ASIO and did a Wave Profile...
BOOM! INSTANTANEOUS PLAYBACK!
Ahem....post #4..
But you were referring to driver versions as far as chronology :P Besides, one doesn't have the choice whether to install the WDM or ASIO driver for a particular sound interface -- they all get loaded at once. I'm curious to know why the WDM driver is sticky though...but at this point is WDM obsolete technology anyway?
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Re:Long Pause Before Playback?
2012/08/20 17:08:31
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No true but the as far as I understand it WDM drivers are completely separate from the ASIO version, hence the "symptom of a poor driver" comment. Just your WDM driver is poor and the ASIO fine.
WDM isn't obsolete by any means. To start with if you want to run more than one device your only option is WDM, ASIO only allows for one driver to be used at a time.
WDM isn't good for me but there's plenty of people here using it and getting better results than they do from ASIO. It's just down to how good the drivers are.
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