LpMike75
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Looking to buy VDrums..
Hey guys - I am looking to buy VDrums. So far, the Roland TD 11 looks to be the best deal in my pricerange ( $1,500 ish). Before I purchase this from Sweetwater or Musicians Friend, I figured I would ask here if anyone knows a reputable dealer with a better price? Any feedback appreciated. Thanks.
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IK Obi
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/19 19:11:41
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I believe most of them will be close, it'd be better to wait for a sale or google for a coupon from the dealers.
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/19 19:45:53
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Check Hello Music. They have specials daily.
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LpMike75
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/20 04:04:21
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Obi - Thanks for the thought. I didn't think to check for any coupon deals, turns out there weren't any, but good thought anyways I would of missed it! Unfortunately I need it by Sat so I can't wait around. Thanks for the response. Gustabo - Thanks for turning me on to Hello Music, I had never heard of it. As Obi guessed, they seem to be all priced very close. Maybe someone will throw out a "Monday VDrum Sale!" tomorrow....
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/20 11:10:28
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I have for 4 years been extreamly pleased with my Yamaha DTXpress IV kit. It was around $1500 from Musiciansfriend but is less now.
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IK Obi
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/20 18:23:26
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Let us know where you end up buying it from and how you like it. I've always wanted an electric set, but can't give up my cymbals. I'd miss them too much.
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LpMike75
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/21 11:57:31
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IK Obi Let us know where you end up buying it from and how you like it. I've always wanted an electric set, but can't give up my cymbals. I'd miss them too much. I hear you on cymbals Obi! It really seems tough to capture all the velocity layers and sound of a real cymbal or high hat. I've heard of people using real cymbals with an electric kit. I went with the Td11 Kit from Sweetwater, it should be here on Thursday. Yep, vacation day requested from work and I will be sitting at my door step awaiting it's arrival! (This means it will come on Friday instead!) I ordered a 10 foot midi USB chord, I wonder what the maximum length should be for minimum latency.
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IK Obi
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/22 13:16:15
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Lol that's awesome! 12-16 ft is the longest Midi cable available due to power restrictions from what I've heard. You can always get a MIDI repeater though. I have seen a few people use electric sets with real cymbals which I may have to try out sometime because I LOVE my cymbals. Its odd, when you find what you like you don't want to step away.
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/22 19:56:51
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IK Obi 12-16 ft is the longest Midi cable available due to power restrictions from what I've heard. I have been using an 8m (25ft) midi cable for one of my keyboards with no apparent problems. 10m is the longest that I have seen: http://www.staggmusic.com...bles/miidi_cables.html
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droddey
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/22 22:16:13
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Cable length isn't an issue for latency. The signal travels far too fast for it to be a concern. The minute latency it would add is vastly overwhelmed by the other latencies in a DAW based environment. One thing you could do of course is put down the track initially while listening to local sounds from the V-Drum kit, while recording the MIDI to disk. Then you'd have very little latency. You could then go back and select the actual sound you want after the fact. That could though be a bit of a vibe killer while recording.
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Cactus Music
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/23 01:15:50
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It's tricky recording with the real cymbals because of the bleed from the rubber drum heads( Yamaha kit) which do not sound like real drums. This might be better with the V drums with the mesh heads. What I've done is record the electric kit first then record the real cymbals in a second pass. Then delete the midi cymbal events.
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LpMike75
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/23 09:32:58
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droddey Cable length isn't an issue for latency. The signal travels far too fast for it to be a concern. The minute latency it would add is vastly overwhelmed by the other latencies in a DAW based environment. One thing you could do of course is put down the track initially while listening to local sounds from the V-Drum kit, while recording the MIDI to disk. Then you'd have very little latency. You could then go back and select the actual sound you want after the fact. That could though be a bit of a vibe killer while recording. Thanks for the feedback Droddey
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IK Obi
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/23 12:08:33
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25ft for a Midi cable does sound right, I knew there was indeed a limit. And I can' see rubber heads bleeding, but mesh should be fine. I kind of just want to buy mesh drum heads and a module with triggers to convert this old kit I have to see if its something that I'd even want to get into. Then it'd look like a normal kit and I could still use cymbals. Maybe....
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LpMike75
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/23 23:57:42
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Reporting back with my initial impressions. After 10 hours or so of owning it, I am very disappointed in the factory drum sounds. IMO they leave alot to be desired, especially for the price I paid for this thing. Maybe they need tweeking, I dont know, but out of the box Session Drummer sounds better. With that said, Ez Drummer syncs right up to it very easy and sounds nice. It's a nightmare with Addictive Drums because I never installed the 1.5 patch, which contains the midi mapping. I am lost with drum maps in Sonar. The mesh pads are nice. I can't find a good spot for the ride without it getting in the way. Of course, this set is for real drummers recording for me....so I guess they can figure that part out :)
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spacealf
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/24 12:39:42
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Probably need tweaking. Sure they don't sound better with the analog main outputs instead of midi output??
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LpMike75
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/24 18:31:11
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Hey Spacealf - First I listened through the headphones straight from the brain. Then I messed around and recorded the stereo audio out straight into Sonar. I've played with all the kits, the 808 kick is actually my favorite, the rest could easily be replaced with Session Drummer and be an imporovement It's not as bad as a 1980 drum machine, but for 1,600 bucks I was expecting more.
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IK Obi
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/08/25 18:40:34
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Makes sense though, they focus more on the technology and not as much on the sample library. Plus they know with MIDI you can connect it to control a whole world of different drum sounds.
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Cactus Music
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/09/04 22:55:06
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When I've demoed them they sounded OK, I would defiantly tweak them but I fliped through a few pre sets and ya, they sound like all midi drum's every where.
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Kenneth
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/09/05 02:39:49
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If you are a drummer (Or used to hearing real drums) you will probably never be satisfied with the sounds in any hardware drum module, there's just to little memory in these things to hold a properly multisampled drum kit with many velocity zones and 8-10 round robins pr zone on each drum, so if you play well you will retrigger the same samples at the same velocity and with no round robins it's shotgun city. They try all kinds of tricks to make it sound better like velocity filtering and tuning the harder you hit, but it just won't sound right if you have heard real drums. I wish they'd make a kit with nothing but a dumb brain and no sounds because it's just a waste of money for something you won't use. Look at the full version of Steven Slate Drums, or if you'd really crazy, look at mixosaurus drums
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BretB
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Re:Looking to buy VDrums..
2012/09/05 11:57:20
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With a little tweeking, I have used my Yamaha kit for live gigs with great success. For recording, I use the MIDI to drive Steven Slate kits.
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