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Diet...
I was cleaning my new Les Paul and re-stringing it two days ago when I realized that, in a matter of a few weeks, I had damaged the finish on the bridge pick-up and the bridge itself. I had had the same issue w/ my LP Junior last year, but I just hadn't noticed how quickly it happened. I already knew that I probably had pH issues - I literally ruin pale clothes in a matter of a few hours (not that I actually wear white that often, but anyway...) Now, ruining clothes and sheets isn't a cause for worries - but guitars?!! Oh yeah, and, eventually, there's health problems, bla bla, bla. ;) After a bit of research, I realized that my usual diet probably really doesn't help. In fact, among the worst offenders were coffee (I usually drink 6 or 8 every day), soda pop (2 or 3 a day), sweeteners (both in soda pop and my daily pint of Gatorade), tuna (one of the 2 animal protein I eat regularly) and beef (my occasional guilty pleasure). Oh, and beer. :( So here I am, trying to re-balance my pH. I decreased my daily coffee intake to 2 cups. I cut Cola. That's the toughest one. Gatorade - no more. Orange juice and milk have to be monitored (tough one, I drink a approximately a pint of each every day). Even bread has to be monitored. Not that I can't have any of those things, but I really have to put the priority on my intake of alkaline food (mostly greens and soya). Oh and green tea. :) So I guess I'm back on the oriental diet. Rice, Bock Choy, Brocoli and Tofu, here I come. The good news is - my Les Paul is an Epiphone - so it's not like I've damaged an (overpriced) $4000-$5000 guitar. Plus, after only two days of that regimen, I feel strangely relaxed. Go figure....
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All I can think to say is good luck on the fewer cups of coffee... mmmmm...mebee that is why my wristwatch bands keep falling apart....
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Wow, now that's interesting. I have always blackened guitar strings very quickly indeed, to the point where my friends would complain if I borrowed their guitars for a jam session. I always just presumed it was because I played so hard Coincidentally I've also been looking into alkalizing my diet recently. What I did find out, is that lemon juice, although acidic to begin with, actually has a strong alkalizing effect once it's in your body. This may apply to all citrus juices but you'd have to check that. What I do is, every morning, I make a protein shake that includes a nice big splash of organic lemon juice (freshly squeezed is best but you can also get the organic bottled stuff that has no preservatives in it). Be sure to rinse with water after drinking as citric acid erodes tooth enamel. I also include: - Whey protein. Now this one is controversial. The conventional wisdom is that whey protein is acidic and soy protein is alkaline, but this guy - who seems to know what he's talking about - says the opposite, that whey protein is mildly alkalizing and non-fermented soy is acidic: http://www.naturalnews.com/023694_food_foods_health.html (great interview if you're interested in alkalizing your diet btw)
- Green Vibrance powder. Don't know if you've come across this. There are other brands like Greens+ but I've always considered GV to be the best. It contains hundreds of green, alkaline forming ingredients and is extremely healthy. Bit of an acquired taste (very green and a little seaweedy) but easily masked in a shake. You can also get the Greens+ in a peanut butter/whey protein bar, I eat them every day after the gym.
- Rainbow Vibrance powder. As above, but concentrating on red and yellow fruits and vegetables. Again good for alkalinity.
- Ionic Zinc. It's very important in an alkaline diet and most people are deficient. If you work out and/or sweat a lot, you're losing zinc. Trace Minerals Research do a great liquid zinc and you can find great deals for it on Amazon.
You can also add other things to taste. Another thing I've been taking recently is magnesium citrate. Like zinc, most people are deficient and it's a very important nutrient for alkaline rich diets. It also helps the body relax and protects your hearing. I take a product called "Natural Calm" twice a day which provides a very usable form of magnesium that's easily absorbed. But yeah ditch the soda. It screws your health in so many ways.
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I had this problem when I was young. I destroyed the bridges, pickups, and tuners on several guitars. No matter how often I cleaned them. I went so far as to wax them heavily but it didn't help. It eventually stopped happening even though I didn't change my diet. Speaking of cola, I'm completely, 100%, without a doubt, addicted to diet soda. When it's hot out like it has been lately, I can easily guzzle down a few of those 2 liter bottles. Oh I remember the days of the 3 liter bottles. Whatever happened to those? :) Funny thing that I just started noticing the last couple years, when I drink diet anything with aspartame in it, I have to piss within 10 minutes of drinking it. It scared me enough to the point that I really try to avoid it now ... but man, I am so hooked on diet soda. I used to service the copier in a kidney dialysis center in Des Moines. They told me the #1 reason people end up needing dialysis is because they had an allergic reaction to medication or a food. I started putting two and two together with the aspartame reaction I was having and it really freaked me out. Smoking doesn't help either, thank God I never picked that habit up.
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As for the Epi-Paul ... I've played a few of those recently ... they felt better, and sounded better than my Gibson LP Custom. And my Epi Sheraton II, you couldn't pry it from my cold dead hands. :)
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Epi Sheraton II Bub As for the Epi-Paul ... I've played a few of those recently ... they felt better, and sounded better than my Gibson LP Custom. And my Epi Sheraton II, you couldn't pry it from my cold dead hands. :) Back home in Britain I have one of these babies, the rare Epiphone Spotlight aka "PRS lawsuit guitar." It's 25 years old and needs some work on it, but it's one of the best Epiphone's I've ever played.
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Yeah, some people try the lemon cure. I'm not a "cure" type of person (except for the band The Cure, which is one of my all time favorites ;) I'm more likely to integrate it in my recipes. People go nuts on ingredients and particles, but they're just ingredients, imho. Whey powder I dig. Since I'm not too inclined to animal protein but still need proteins, I've been relying on Whey shakes when training. Pretty clean fuel. I'll have to read that article and the other links. Guitars stings usually get change before they get corroded, but I'm sure it wouldn't take long. This is what my Les Paul Junior's bridge looked like that after 2 or 3 months.
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Interesting stuff. I've probably killed a few shirts that way and blamed it on the bleach.
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Bub I had this problem when I was young. I destroyed the bridges, pickups, and tuners on several guitars. No matter how often I cleaned them. I went so far as to wax them heavily but it didn't help. It eventually stopped happening even though I didn't change my diet. Speaking of cola, I'm completely, 100%, without a doubt, addicted to diet soda. When it's hot out like it has been lately, I can easily guzzle down a few of those 2 liter bottles. Oh I remember the days of the 3 liter bottles. Whatever happened to those? :) Funny thing that I just started noticing the last couple years, when I drink diet anything with aspartame in it, I have to piss within 10 minutes of drinking it. It scared me enough to the point that I really try to avoid it now ... but man, I am so hooked on diet soda. I used to service the copier in a kidney dialysis center in Des Moines. They told me the #1 reason people end up needing dialysis is because they had an allergic reaction to medication or a food. I started putting two and two together with the aspartame reaction I was having and it really freaked me out. Smoking doesn't help either, thank God I never picked that habit up. Yaeh, I think our body's chemistry constantly change. My first guitar was a Les Paul model - I played that guitar more than any other I've owned besides my black strat and I never damaged the finish on the bridge or pick-ups. I've been addicted to Cola since I was 12 (that's when I first noticed). I eventually changed to diet cola and cut down a bit but still needed a few daily. I've tried replacing it w/ sparkling water - but it never really worked. And now I read that sparkling water, though not as bad, is pretty acidic too. I realize the quantities of liquid I ingest daily. And that's not counting all the water I drink. But I guess the diversity is a thing of the past. I've indulged for years - I can't really complain.
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I think a large part of the Cola addiction people have is the caffeine. It's a drug. I recently quite caffeine after coming to terms with the fact that it was just giving me this constant feeling of anxiety and edginess throughout the day. It's probably also the sugar. Sweetness is very addictive and it's hard to replace it with a plain taste like water. But persevere. One major improvement you can make is to increase the ratio of raw food that you eat. Cooking kills vital enzymes found in raw foods, and those enzymes are vital for health. You can buy full spectrum enzymes as a supplement - not only do they help with digestion but they also reduce cravings for sweet and starchy foods. I always make a point of including raw food with every meal. Even if it's just an apple or carrot or two eaten before a cooked meal, it makes all the difference.
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i'm thinking the chrome on the epi's is not as well done as the chrome on the Gibsons. But.... I have a Gibson SG and the bridge pickup and the bridge did succumb to the salt in my sweat. I was gigging for a living and they were casualties of the conflict. I replaced the original bridge with a Bad Ass Bridge (shown in pic^^^^). The pickup is still there and working. The other guitarist had the same problem with his LP. But his pickups were open coils. As far as the diet thing and PH..... this is very important. You should strive to maintain a PH above 7.0 and below 7.5 for optimal health. I use PH test strips every so often to test. The more natural foods you eat, like fruits and vegetables and drink water the easier it is to get into that zone. There is a train of thought that many diseases can not survive in an alkaline body. By pushing the PH into that range, they are preventable and reversible. Meats, pastries, sweets, sodas of all sorts, processed and packaged foods will all take the numbers below 7 and the further south you go into the 6 range the more likely you are to encounter health issues and degenerative types of diseases. The first time I encountered the PH for healthy living thing I was a bit doubtful. Then the more I researched it, the more sense it made. I can recall that I had some tomatoes in the garden that were not doing very well. They were growing slowly and were yellow and sickly looking. A soil test showed the soil to be out of their preferred PH range. So after a fix to the soil PH, in a few days the plants turned green, started to grow and produced much fruit. PH matters to plants and it matters to us as well. A simple diet change can do wonders to the PH of the body and your overall health.
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Good luck with that diet. I think that sweat in general tends to be bad for plated hardware. Men tend to sweat more than most women do. Sweat contains salt and salt corrodes hardware. In other words I don't think there is a such thing as sweat that doesn't have some kind of a corrosive effect. I would be interested to hear what Spacey makes of this. If it were me and I was concerned about future problems with the bridge, I would remove the plated parts and spray them with a protective clear laquer coating. This might wear off after a year but could always be re applied.
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Guitarhacker i'm thinking the chrome on the epi's is not as well done as the chrome on the Gibsons. But.... I have a Gibson SG and the bridge pickup and the bridge did succumb to the salt in my sweat. I was gigging for a living and they were casualties of the conflict. I replaced the original bridge with a Bad Ass Bridge (shown in pic^^^^). The pickup is still there and working. The other guitarist had the same problem with his LP. But his pickups were open coils. As far as the diet thing and PH..... this is very important. You should strive to maintain a PH above 7.0 and below 7.5 for optimal health. I use PH test strips every so often to test. The more natural foods you eat, like fruits and vegetables and drink water the easier it is to get into that zone. There is a train of thought that many diseases can not survive in an alkaline body. By pushing the PH into that range, they are preventable and reversible. Meats, pastries, sweets, sodas of all sorts, processed and packaged foods will all take the numbers below 7 and the further south you go into the 6 range the more likely you are to encounter health issues and degenerative types of diseases. The first time I encountered the PH for healthy living thing I was a bit doubtful. Then the more I researched it, the more sense it made. I can recall that I had some tomatoes in the garden that were not doing very well. They were growing slowly and were yellow and sickly looking. A soil test showed the soil to be out of their preferred PH range. So after a fix to the soil PH, in a few days the plants turned green, started to grow and produced much fruit. PH matters to plants and it matters to us as well. A simple diet change can do wonders to the PH of the body and your overall health. Yeah, I also suspect that the Gibson hardware is better. Still, when I compare to my first uber cheapo LP - on which the chrome remained spotless - I can't help but think that the pH has probably gone way below where it should be. I was reading a chart of possible symptoms and problems related to pH issues and it was like someone lifted a veil - I don't think that it's the absolute root cause of all the little things that have been nagging me for years, but I'm sure that it doesn't help. From legs cramps and spasms to sensitive gums, I recognized a bunch of symptoms. Though some of them may have a different cause, I just prefer to put the chances on my side. My joints have always been a source of worries, and I can't neglect to take care of something which may favor arthritis or osteoporosis. Thanks a lot for the input. Makes a lot of sense when we stop and think about it. I think I'll grab myself some of those strips. :)
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Starise Good luck with that diet. I think that sweat in general tends to be bad for plated hardware. Men tend to sweat more than most women do. Sweat contains salt and salt corrodes hardware. In other words I don't think there is a such thing as sweat that doesn't have some kind of a corrosive effect. I would be interested to hear what Spacey makes of this. If it were me and I was concerned about future problems with the bridge, I would remove the plated parts and spray them with a protective clear laquer coating. This might wear off after a year but could always be re applied. Thanks! :) Yeah, I'd also be curious to hear from Spacey on that one. At any rate, I'll have the guitars taken care of when we arrive in Vegas, early September. I'll see how I can minimize the corrosion - because a septentrional fellow like myself isn't likely to sweat any less in Nevada. ;)
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sharke That is a beautiful guitar, man. The black Epi LP my wife bought me for my birthday truly is a little gem. I actually prefer it to some expensive Gibson Les Pauls I've tried. It felt right, which is something that pretty much never happened w/ LPs and which is why I always played strats. This one really turned me onto Les Pauls.
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Rain That is a beautiful guitar, man. The black Epi LP my wife bought me for my birthday truly is a little gem. I actually prefer it to some expensive Gibson Les Pauls I've tried. It felt right, which is something that pretty much never happened w/ LPs and which is why I always played strats. This one really turned me onto Les Pauls. I've heard so many people say they prefer Epiphone Les Pauls over the modern Gibson versions. There has to be something in it. For me, I've just found "my" guitar...an American Telecaster. Have pretty much ignored them over the years but played one recently and it just immediately felt right and I had to have it. Feel is everything!
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Rain, I too have this problem. I can cook a set of strings with rust, crud, pieces of flesh in an hour. I rust all my parts solid if I'm not careful. I'm on a pretty good dietand and am careful. I don't abuse anything these days. However, what I've started to do now is not something I did before and I've noticed a major difference in what happens to my guitars. I sweat like a lunatic, so I'll eat a brand new set of strings for every show. That's just the nature of me being me. But I notice if I wash my hands before I play my guitars and wipe them down after, this has stopped quite a bit of my acid sweat/oils from eating things away. If I wipe my guitars down after playing and always wash my hands before I play, it's amazing how things have changed. Even when I sweat really bad at a show, if I wipe that guitar down as soon as I'm done or during a point in the show where my singer is talking to the crowd, I've noticed that I don't have to change my strings for the next show. I can get two shows out of them now. With each string change, I clean my entire guitar. All the pup pole pieces, the Floyd screws, the neck, everything. It's really made a difference for me. I think the problem is when we allow the oils or sweat to remain on our guitars that it does damage over time. For certain chrome or gold plated hardware, there's nothing you'll be able to do to stop it from wearing. That's just the nature of the beast really. But you can definitely cut down on that by keeping things cleaner a little more often. It's worked for me. :) -Danny
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I always thought I was a strat guy - from the moment I first put my hands on that 1957 black strat over at a friend's house when I was 12, I knew I wanted one like this. And every guitar I bought after that were strat models. I ended up finding the right one (it's more like the guitar found me) in 1996. To this day, my American strat is the easiest guitar I've ever played in my life. Almost feels like an extension of my body. Les Pauls typically gave me a tough time and didn't feel as fluid or comfortable. But the one I just got this summer didn't seem to require as much of an adjustment on my side. And there's just so much more "meet" to that sound... It's like it's giving me a whole new world of sounds to work with anytime I hit a chord. I love that guitar so much that it's the only one I'm keeping w/ me for the next month and a half - the others are going to be sent and stored in Vegas next week. I haven't played my precious black strat in over a month. I never really played Teles - but I know I'd like one w/ a B-Bender. :P
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Danny Danzi Rain, I too have this problem. I can cook a set of strings with rust, crud, pieces of flesh in an hour. I rust all my parts solid if I'm not careful. I'm on a pretty good dietand and am careful. I don't abuse anything these days. However, what I've started to do now is not something I did before and I've noticed a major difference in what happens to my guitars. I sweat like a lunatic, so I'll eat a brand new set of strings for every show. That's just the nature of me being me. But I notice if I wash my hands before I play my guitars and wipe them down after, this has stopped quite a bit of my acid sweat/oils from eating things away. If I wipe my guitars down after playing and always wash my hands before I play, it's amazing how things have changed. Even when I sweat really bad at a show, if I wipe that guitar down as soon as I'm done or during a point in the show where my singer is talking to the crowd, I've noticed that I don't have to change my strings for the next show. I can get two shows out of them now. With each string change, I clean my entire guitar. All the pup pole pieces, the Floyd screws, the neck, everything. It's really made a difference for me. I think the problem is when we allow the oils or sweat to remain on our guitars that it does damage over time. For certain chrome or gold plated hardware, there's nothing you'll be able to do to stop it from wearing. That's just the nature of the beast really. But you can definitely cut down on that by keeping things cleaner a little more often. It's worked for me. :) -Danny Thanks for the tip, Danny. :) I guess I'll have to adopt similar practices - washing my hands before I play is standard practice but I need to make it an habit to clean guitar a bit when I'm done. I guess maybe the problem isn't so much that my sweat is corrosive, but that I allow it to dry on the guitar. I'm pretty good at cleaning up the whole thing every time I change strings, but by then, the damage is done. If I can at least slow down the process, it'll be a good thing.
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I'm surprised and humbled. The health part? I don't know but wish ya well. The hardware parts?...I don't know...I'm with Danny. Now my opinion...and probably not good ones but they're mine and easy to get rid of so no worries. Once I own the guitar I want things to work. I set it up to play as I want and I want that neck fast. I can't stand for there to be just a little nick in it. I thought all guitarist washed before they played..... If that bridge works...and all the chrome starts falling off...I don't care because the scratches it had will be gone too. Gold? forget it. It just goes. I don't think one even has to play the guitar for it to happen. Callaham even quit messin with the junk. Gold belongs in your teeth. Smile. How to slow the wear? I don't know. I do the standard stuff...wash, play, rinse and spin. Maybe there's a setting for delicates...I just don't know. I don't abuse my guitars. I play them. Whatever happens is just part of it and as I said- if the thing works, no worries. If you dropped my guitar and everything still worked...I just don't care. If something broke...well now it has to be fixed. Neither of those things are an issue to me and may be reason to try something I'd been wanting to anyway. (of course I like ya or you wouldn't have been playing it in the first place...that means you're worth more to me than the guitar is) If you are one that is really concerned about the chrome and shiney stuff...buy two and play one. ....it gives ya good reason to try a different bridge or whatever. If it's machines it gives you a chance to try a different weight of machine...yeah thats right... most don't have the coins to get different machines just to try out but trust me...the size and weight of that head has a big impact on tones. So stuff breaking or wearing out ain't so bad. A chance to learn and make mod's ya wanted to anyway. Then there's the money part..that's personal. You make your call there. So now ya know how I got it covered head to toe....er bridge. :) Are Dannys post getting shorter and mine are getting longer?
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Ya know, pickup covers and bridges aren't plated the same way as they used to be plated. Do you have a pre 1970 pickup cover or bridge? Acid burns metal, sweat and body oils can contain those acids our bodys produce, including digestive acid. A broken in guitar has been "burnt" by your acid. An old guitar that has been played many times by many people has developed it's own "burn" circuit. Some call it tone or character and such. You can fill that burn-character-tone with as much wax-polish-oil as you want and the character of that guitar will always return after a few hours. A new guitar needs to be "burnt in". I guess it all depends on what you know and feel and play at that point.
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Actually, I am not overly worried - in fact, even if I jokingly put the emphasis on guitars, the potential damage to my health is the only real concern. More like a heads up for me. It's just funny that it took stains on my guitar pick ups for me to motivate me to investigate what would cause that. Reading a few charts of alkaline vs acidic food, it's rather easy for me to come to the conclusion that I put way too much acidic junk in my body, anyway. So I needed to cut back on that and counterbalance w/ alkaline stuff. I like a guitar that's lived a little. In this particular case, it surprised me how quickly it happened. Some people pay big bucks for new instruments that look aged. Looks like I am my own aging factory. :)
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Good to hear your takes on this Spacey and Danny,Crg. In my case I never buy a guitar with the intent to resale and so if it gets a few scratches or dings or becomes tarnished slightly I'm not too concerned. Yeah, I'm usually the guy with the dirtiest car in the parking lot. I clean it but it isn't a religion know what I mean? I keep my guitars clean mind you but it isn't a show piece for me. I'm not in the habit of wiping mine every time. I put a lot of those plated fixtures on around my house. Door handles and light switch covers. Usually in less than a year they are tarnished. Bought a nice brass plated door handle a few years back and now it looks terrible and is past saving. This is probably the same technique used to plate guitar hardware or very similar. Since then I have decided to buy black or colored hardware. My guitars will just have to live with me. In looking at this online a few guitarists are into clear laquer nail polish believe it or not. They put it on the plated hardware and it seems to offer some protection. Anything clear that comes between your hands and the plating and seals out oxygen and therefore prevents oxidation is a good thing I guess, but I'll never know because I'm not doing it ;)
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Starise Good to hear your takes on this Spacey and Danny,Crg. In my case I never buy a guitar with the intent to resale and so if it gets a few scratches or dings or becomes tarnished slightly I'm not too concerned. I know what you mean. :) In fact, I've played the same old strat for over 15 years. And though it's probably a bit too beaten up to be sold, it never was in the plans to sell it. I rarely fall for guitars, I'm a man of a few guitars. And I never fall for acoustics - though I finally did earlier this week when this one showed up in my newsfeed... A Gibson Songwriter. As strange as it'll sound, I don't like all black acoustics. So this one gets just close enough. Admitting that it sounds as good as it looks to me, I could see myself playing one of these. :P
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The songwriter is a great guitar. Like all things Gibson it's best to hand pick the one you buy. If you decide to get another bridge for your guitar I'd recommend moving away from the "lightning bolt" design. It was bad in the way back and still bad today. You'll find a huge tone improvement if you go to an aluminium wrap around with nickel plating. Trust me on this. If you don't like it I'll buy it from you. A Gibson replacement is too much money. I get them from All Parts for about $50. The Gibson version is about $150 from the art and historic division. If you really like the lightning bolt bridge I have one from a 64 Firebird that you can have. It's crap, but it's free.
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Woah, thanks for the tip, John. :) I wasn't really used to that type of bridge, so I didn't even know there were alternatives. I bought that LP Junior so that I'd have a guitar I could take w/ me everywhere w/o me worrying that it'd get lost on a plane or something. Now that we're settling down and since I got used to it, I've made it my alternate tunings guitar. I've already planned on having some work done on it, changing the pick up and maybe replacing the machine heads, so I'll have the bridge replaced as well.
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I had one of the melody makers they put out a couple years ago. A plain white wash finish. That guitar was a real winner and completely under valued. I stripped off the finish and changed the bridge and got an amazing guitar for a few hundred bucks. On that guitar I installed a bridge known as a baby grand. They are unconventional looking but amazing in terms of tone, tuning and intonation. It's machined from aluminium and has brass saddles but all nickel plated. They cost about $80 but are really worth it. I think it's made by Hipshot but you should check. When I was downsizing, I took the guitar to the store I bought it from and sold it to one of the staff for more than retail. The thing rang like a bell. Gibson is a strange company. I had a Les Paul in the late 70's and swore I'd never have another. After all these years as a Strat man I found a Gold-top this year and haven't looked back. It just feels perfect and sounds amazing. That's 2 great Gibson's in the last few years. I wish they made them that good when I actually played.
Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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