Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ?

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2012/08/24 11:19:17 (permalink)

Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ?

Hi ,
   By default as soon as you select an asio device all the other devices become unavailable. Is there anyway around this? If not as I a suspect, what is the best way to get my Audiophile 24/96 and my lexicon Lamda up and running together smoothly in WDM mode.
They both have quite diffent buffer settings. The 24/96 is adjustable under the Delta control panel with 64,128,256 etc.. but the LAmba has no device control panel and its default buffers are at around 441 for 24/96. Any suggestions? I was going to try manually setting the buffers in sonar and see what that does. What about the differences in the internal clocks of each will that cause sync issues?
 
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    daveny5
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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/08/24 11:31:37 (permalink)
    You'd have to use WDM mode, but multiple soundcards of different makes and models is not recommended otherwise you may have timing problems. I suggest you eBay those 2 and buy a different soundcard that has the features you need. 

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/08/24 12:36:17 (permalink)
    No and its always best to use one interface.

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/08/24 13:07:42 (permalink)
    Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ?

    Sure you can. Just not at the same time.


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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/08/24 13:40:25 (permalink)
    Back when I used XP and had older hardware I used something called ASIO4ALL. Current release is 2.9. I have not used it in windows 7 or in Sonar x1. I used it back when I had some line 6 interface device. My version was 1.4, People loved this or they hated it. I used it and had no problems. Worked well way back when I was using Sonar 3. It allowed the use of more than one ASIO devices and used WDM for kernel streaming.

    No guarantees. People had issues with this. I had no problems.  Now I just use my VS 100 and have not used it since Sonar 5. Check it out but be aware it may or may not be a solution. It was Fun to experiment with it though. I have not tried the new version  


    One device at a time is the limitation with ASIO. If you want to experiment give it a try as a last resort. It should work with your hardware, not sure how well it will work with the new version of sonar or windows 7


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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/08/24 13:46:00 (permalink)
    You can run Lynx sound cards up to 3 boards. These have a proprietory hardware linking capability using a single ASIO driver. Each one just appears as more i/o channels.

    Otherwise no.

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/08/24 14:30:52 (permalink)
    search "asio for all"  . using wdm is usually a better solution, but i have had luck with asio for all in the past.

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/08/24 19:14:38 (permalink)
    TEN_K

    By default as soon as you select an asio device all the other devices become unavailable. Is there anyway around this?
    You could connect the S/PDIF out from one card to the S/PDIF in of the other.  This would allow both cards to be used together in ASIO mode to some extent, although maybe not with the flexibility that you are seeking.  The first card would be the one that you select, but the second card would also be receiving a digital audio signal.

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/08/25 00:42:51 (permalink)
    do your cards have ADAT?

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/01 08:23:59 (permalink)
    Thanx for the replies.
      I have used ASIO 4all on my lappy and other machines with generic interfaces with good results. I might give it a try.
    If not I will give various WDM modes a go. I had the lamda and 2xaudiophile 24/96s working a few years ago. I only recently got the lamda back after an extended 4 year loan to a m8. So a bit of fiddling around is in order me thinks.
    THANX AGAIN for the replies.
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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/01 08:35:43 (permalink)
    Use one audio interface at a time..... you're asking for trouble to do otherwise. 


    ASIO supports one device at a time. You can have your interface running on ASIO and use the computer's sound card running MME or something else to play back MP3 files..... I've done that. 



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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/01 10:05:51 (permalink)
    Using multiple devices is only problematic if the drivers are crappy...

    (or if you do not clock the devices together properly)

    ...or if...

    yeah...Lynx works...

    otherwise you are at the mercy of some code warrior who is writing for an audio company and would rather be hacking, or at best an audio guy trying really hard to wrap his head around hashtags and compilers...

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/01 10:08:37 (permalink)
    Dump the cards and buy one audio interface...just my two cents...too much of a headache and you ARE asking for trouble....good luck either way!

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/12 12:07:09 (permalink)
    Hi guys getting ok results with ASIO 4 ALL and WDM its all about getting the default byte settings for the lamda right. BUT YES to all those who reccomend 1 card I agree. I used to use 2xA/P 24/96 stacked for 2 stereo insa and outs and never had a problem.Can anyone reccomend a PCI e 4+ stereo input card with 1/4 " inputs
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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/12 12:12:07 (permalink)
    pci-e , I'd have bought an RME AIO if they hadn't delayed it 1 year.. perhaps that has what you want..

    http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdspe_aio.php  Kev, spdif'ing 2 cards is problematic if different brands. as both are timing critical and in some cases / cards cause blue screens due to them going out of sync. OR it'd lose sync. had that with a few cards over the years, where using the audio instead worked better, but not so clean sounding.




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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/12 14:55:57 (permalink)
    What about the differences in the internal clocks of each will that cause sync issues?



    FWIW, It's a PITA to try and get two different make audio interfaces to sync/operate as one.
    By definition, it's not possible via ASIO.
    Thus, you have to use WDM (which works well with some audio interfaces... less so with others... especially if you plan to work at ultra low latency)... AND you need to clock sync the two units (ie: via S/PDIF).
    If you don't have the two units clock-synced, they will drift apart over time.  
    The longer the tune, the more drift you'll experience.

    One rock-solid unit that suits your needs is a FAR better option.

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/12 15:08:48 (permalink)
    If they both have optical connectors you can connect them that way. The first one will simply act as a mic pre/extra input unit and the second will be the main interface doing all the work. There are limitations to this depending on how many channels you can get from the optical connection though. For example... I have a Layla Echo 3G and a focusrite Scarlett 18i6. Both have an optical connector. The echo has 8 inputs the Scarlett's ADAT connection can handle all 8 inputs at 24 bit 44.1khz but if I want a higher sample rate (like 96khz) it only allows four channels. That said even if only ONE of your interfaces has the ADAT/optical connection you could dump the one that doesn't and save money by buying a mic pre unit or a smaller interface as opposed to dumping both and buying something massive.
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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/12 15:16:32 (permalink)
    You could get 2 octa-captures and hook them up together. ;)



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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/16 14:06:04 (permalink)
    +1 on the Octa-Captures, they work. Also I believe several of the Echo interfaces can be aggregated.

    WDM is the easiest option, though, by far.

    BTW I'm not 100% sure of this, but I was talking to a coder from an interface company and he said there's no inherent technical reason why ASIO devices can't be aggregated, but they have unique IDs that the system expects to see...or something like that.
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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/09/16 15:44:32 (permalink)
    Who was that coder? ;)

    Technically its perfectly possible to aggregate multiple asio devices into one. But there can only be one master clock device, others either clock synced to this master clock or resampled, introducing latency, jitter, quality loss, phase problems... Or they drift, resulting in buffer loss, leading from crackles to stutter and silence, depending on buffer size.

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    Re:Is it possible to use 2 seperate Audio interfaces with ASIO ? 2012/11/16 19:38:48 (permalink)
    Just check back on this post! WOW thanx for the comments guys. I think we all knew from the start that it was a poor proposition. BUT!!! I recently picked up an m audio VENOm which has identical buffer/pan law settings etc..
    Well here's the deal on light projects  with10 Audio 5 Midi and EG. 2 NEXUS 2 Massive (on standard dsp settings) and a cople o Verbs I can get these two working well together at 5.8 - 11.5 ms. This is using Asio4 All or WDM. But ALAS I needed the extra input for my guitar and at 1.5 ms (the only viable input monitoring speed) BOOM NO GO... LAME
     I wish I wasn't so povo need a new interface badly. OH DELTA 10 10 IN 2001 you and me were in nirvana why did you die ?  :)
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