Bristol_Jonesey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 16775
- Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
- Location: Bristol, UK
- Status: offline
Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
Hi all.
Weird one, not come across this before.
64 bit OS/Sonar/Dim Pro
I have a pad which is playing a simple block chord right at the end of the song.
I inserted a series of tempo changes, ramping down from 105 to 80 over the course of 2 measures
Upon playback, the pad starts to "warble" as it encounters the tempo changes.
Remove the tempo changes, pad plays normally.
Bouncing/freezing does absolutely nothing to help.
Anyone seen anything like this before?
I can think of a couple of ways to work around this problem, but it should not be happening.
Cheers, Jonesey
CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughoutCustom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
|
daveny5
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 16934
- Joined: 2003/11/06 09:54:36
- Location: North Carolina
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 08:17:35
(permalink)
Look at the Event List view and see if you have some modulation or other controls that would be affected by the tempo change.
Dave Computer: Intel i7, ASROCK H170M, 16GB/5TB+, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, Sonar Platinum, TASCAM US-16x08, Cakewalk UM-3G MIDI I/F Instruments: SL-880 Keyboard controller, Korg 05R/W, Korg N1R, KORG Wavestation EX Axes: Fender Stratocaster, Line6 Variax 300, Ovation Acoustic, Takamine Nylon Acoustic, Behringer GX212 amp, Shure SM-58 mic, Rode NT1 condenser mic. Outboard: Mackie 1402-VLZ mixer, TC Helicon VoiceLive 2, Digitech Vocalist WS EX, PODXTLive, various stompboxes and stuff. Controllers: Korg nanoKONTROL, Wacom Bamboo Touchpad
|
dantarbill
Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1820
- Joined: 2004/12/15 10:48:18
- Location: Monrovia, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 08:41:12
(permalink)
Bristol_Jonesey
Bouncing/freezing does absolutely nothing to help.
My guess is that DimPro is trying to tempo sync something that doesn't need to be tempo sync'd. I'd pull the tempo changes, then bounce and save the result so it doesn't get unfrozen later. After you put the tempo changes back in, there's no way it can mess with it because now it's just an audio file.
|
jb101
Max Output Level: -46 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2946
- Joined: 2011/12/04 05:26:10
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 09:09:09
(permalink)
dantarbill
Bristol_Jonesey
Bouncing/freezing does absolutely nothing to help.
My guess is that DimPro is trying to tempo sync something that doesn't need to be tempo sync'd. I'd pull the tempo changes, then bounce and save the result so it doesn't get unfrozen later. After you put the tempo changes back in, there's no way it can mess with it because now it's just an audio file.
But if it were an audio file it wouldn't follow the tempo changes, would it? I may be wrong, but that's my understanding. I agree that it sounds as if something in DimPro is trying to sync host, or some such.... If that's the case then perhaps have a look through its innards and disable the relevant sync. When you say warble, Bristol_Jonesey, what does it do? Modulation in amplitude, pitch? This might point you to the place you need to turn of sync to host tempo.
|
Mystic38
Max Output Level: -59 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1622
- Joined: 2010/08/30 17:40:34
- Location: Mystic, CT
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 09:09:12
(permalink)
seems that you may have a temp sync lfo, envelopes or effect...
post edited by Mystic38 - 2012/09/07 09:23:06
HPE-580T with i7-950, 8G, 1.5T, ATI6850, Win7/64, Motu 828 III Hybrid, Motu Midi Express, Sonar Platinum, Komplete 9, Ableton Live 9 & Push 2, Melodyne Editor and other stuff, KRK VXT8 Monitors Virus Ti2 Polar, Fantom G6, Yamaha S70XS, Novation Nova, Novation Nova II, Korg MS2000, Waldorf Micro Q, NI Maschine Studio, TC-VoiceLive Rack, 2012 Gibson Les Paul Standard, 2001 Gibson Les Paul DC, 1999 Fender Am Hardtail Strat, Fender Blues Jr, Orange TH30/PPC212, Tak EF360GF, one mic, no talent.
|
dantarbill
Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1820
- Joined: 2004/12/15 10:48:18
- Location: Monrovia, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 11:28:45
(permalink)
jb101
But if it were an audio file it wouldn't follow the tempo changes, would it? I may be wrong, but that's my understanding.
Correct...but I was basing my suggestion on the fact that 1) it's a pad and 2) it's a ritard at the end of the song. Extend the length of the pad then fade to fit.
|
Mystic38
Max Output Level: -59 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1622
- Joined: 2010/08/30 17:40:34
- Location: Mystic, CT
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 11:36:34
(permalink)
jb101
But if it were an audio file it wouldn't follow the tempo changes, would it? I may be wrong, but that's my understanding.
i guess i dont see any audio file in the real sense of the phraase.. dim pro is not a sample player per se.. it is a synth that uses samples instead of oscillators... so while the sound is based upon an audio file, there is an entire synth chain behind it.. and many things can be tempo sync'd
HPE-580T with i7-950, 8G, 1.5T, ATI6850, Win7/64, Motu 828 III Hybrid, Motu Midi Express, Sonar Platinum, Komplete 9, Ableton Live 9 & Push 2, Melodyne Editor and other stuff, KRK VXT8 Monitors Virus Ti2 Polar, Fantom G6, Yamaha S70XS, Novation Nova, Novation Nova II, Korg MS2000, Waldorf Micro Q, NI Maschine Studio, TC-VoiceLive Rack, 2012 Gibson Les Paul Standard, 2001 Gibson Les Paul DC, 1999 Fender Am Hardtail Strat, Fender Blues Jr, Orange TH30/PPC212, Tak EF360GF, one mic, no talent.
|
dantarbill
Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1820
- Joined: 2004/12/15 10:48:18
- Location: Monrovia, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 11:41:42
(permalink)
Mystic38
jb101
But if it were an audio file it wouldn't follow the tempo changes, would it? I may be wrong, but that's my understanding.
i guess i dont see any audio file in the real sense of the phraase.. dim pro is not a sample player per se.. it is a synth that uses samples instead of oscillators... so while the sound is based upon an audio file, there is an entire synth chain behind it.. and many things can be tempo sync'd
We were talking about after you bounce/freeze the DimPro track. That is a real audio file! Look in your project's audio folder and you'll find it there. At that point DimPro is entirely out of the picture and you're then dealing with a resulting audio file that no longer responds to MIDI or tempo changes.
|
Mystic38
Max Output Level: -59 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1622
- Joined: 2010/08/30 17:40:34
- Location: Mystic, CT
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 11:50:42
(permalink)
dantarbill
Mystic38
jb101
We were talking about after you bounce/freeze the DimPro track.
gotcha..
HPE-580T with i7-950, 8G, 1.5T, ATI6850, Win7/64, Motu 828 III Hybrid, Motu Midi Express, Sonar Platinum, Komplete 9, Ableton Live 9 & Push 2, Melodyne Editor and other stuff, KRK VXT8 Monitors Virus Ti2 Polar, Fantom G6, Yamaha S70XS, Novation Nova, Novation Nova II, Korg MS2000, Waldorf Micro Q, NI Maschine Studio, TC-VoiceLive Rack, 2012 Gibson Les Paul Standard, 2001 Gibson Les Paul DC, 1999 Fender Am Hardtail Strat, Fender Blues Jr, Orange TH30/PPC212, Tak EF360GF, one mic, no talent.
|
Bristol_Jonesey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 16775
- Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
- Location: Bristol, UK
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 14:01:11
(permalink)
dantarbill
Bristol_Jonesey
Bouncing/freezing does absolutely nothing to help.
My guess is that DimPro is trying to tempo sync something that doesn't need to be tempo sync'd. I'd pull the tempo changes, then bounce and save the result so it doesn't get unfrozen later. After you put the tempo changes back in, there's no way it can mess with it because now it's just an audio file.
Yeah, that was one of the ideas I had for a workaround. Don't think there's any tempo synced modulation going on anywhere in this pad - if anyone wants to try it, it's the pad "defeated" under Pads in Dim Pro 1.5 Thanks everyone for your valued suggestions.
CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughoutCustom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
|
dantarbill
Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1820
- Joined: 2004/12/15 10:48:18
- Location: Monrovia, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 17:22:15
(permalink)
Bristol_Jonesey
Don't think there's any tempo synced modulation going on anywhere in this pad...
Probably not...but that might not stop it from trying to resync to some odd spot in the waveform it's playing back anyway. Another suggestion too. Try posting this question in the Cakewalk Instruments forum. There are folks there that are much more versed in the ins and outs of Rene's sound engine, sfz and such that could give you better answers than you're likely to get here.
|
Bristol_Jonesey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 16775
- Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
- Location: Bristol, UK
- Status: offline
Re:Strange Issue with Dimension Pro
2012/09/07 18:51:29
(permalink)
Thanks Dan - I might just do that
CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughoutCustom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
|