How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1?

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How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1?

Hi guys,

I've owned Sonar X1 Essential for over a year now, but have not used it much because each time I do, I get very discouraged.  I start out in a very creative mood with some ideas in my head, and I'm ready to just start recording.  But it takes me so long to set up Sonar and figure out how to get the metronome working, MIDI inputs working & tied to a synth device, etc., that by the time I finally get it working, I'm out of time.  With so many others that apparently enjoy Cakewalk, I am obviously missing something that others understand.

Is it possible to be immediately productive (i.e., in less than 60 seconds) with Sonar?  I would really appreciate tips on how others achieve this.

A specific example of a simple creativity stopper I encounter: as mentioned above, I want to just sit down & improvise, and if I end up with something good, I want to keep it, otherwise throw it away.  However, when I start Sonar it requires me to give a name for the project I'm going to create before I even know what I'm going to play.  So I'm forced to litter my hard drive with a bunch of mostly empty projects with meaningless names (e.g., "cake1", "cake2", etc.).  And before I can know what name is available, I have to use a different app (Windows Explorer) to browse the project folders first.  Is there any way to just start working on a project, and then save it later if it turns out worthwhile?

Thank you for your inputs!

P.S. I have spent many hours pouring over the documentation/help files looking for solutions, so please don't assume that I haven't done some homework already. :)

Regards, Matt
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    Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk]
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 15:22:35 (permalink)
    1. Start SONAR

    2. Close New Project pop-up window (un-check Show This Window ... to skip this step in the future)

    3. Ctrl + N to create a new project (based on the Normal template) without having to give it a name

    4. Go to Instruments list in the Plugins section of Browser

    5. Drag and drop instrument into Track View

    6. Start playing

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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 15:25:55 (permalink)
    Set a default project with tracks your probably going to use (Kontakt, Z3ta+ etc) in the layout that makes the most sense to you (to avoid having to shuffle things around at the start). Create some track templates too to speed things up while working. It might seem like a boring task, but trust me you'll save so much time in the long run.

    I don't think there is getting away from the fact that you have to use and get used to a DAW for a while before you find your own workflow and work smoothly. 

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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 15:31:04 (permalink)
    Hey Matt,

    I'm sorry you're experiencing this frustration. Sonar's workflow is an extremely efficient one and like Seth said you can be up and running in seconds - especially if you use the cool features it has like track templates say if for example you have a trio in mind (piano, bass, drums).

    In this case you set a template once containing all the VSTs and tracks assigned to eat VST, then you just drag n drop it and voila, Sonar loads and sets everything up for you in a split second. :)
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 15:41:39 (permalink)
    Set up a template for the kind of project you want to do and name it Normal so when you start Sonar you get that template. The record. If you want to keep it, then save it with a name. Otherwise, next time you start Sonar you will get the same template to work with. 

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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 15:47:47 (permalink)
    It takes two seconds to name a project. If you don't want to save to your hard drive just close the project without saving. If you decide you want to keep it just rename the project. As far as setting up other stuff figure out what types of things you would like to have set up for your little jam sessions, take an hour or so to create a bunch of blank template projects or insert whatever synths/effects you like to use most (you can change them later if need be) and save them all. That way when you get the musical itch you just open Sonar, open the project template you want and kabingo... you're in action. Then if you like what you have done do a "Save As" save and the original template will be preserved as well as your new project. If you don't want to keep what you have done just don't save it when you close Sonar. No biggie.
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 15:51:51 (permalink)
    Thumbs up on the templates! It may be time consuming to set up all the templates you need, but once X1 starts, you load the template and you are off and running! I do alot of different types of projects and I have templates for just about any style of music you can think of. All of them are already setup with the instruments I know are the mainstays of the style of music I will be doing.

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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 15:59:25 (permalink)
    Yea, I have a "normal" project.  It has alchemy already set up but I used to have several others like Rapture.  Just click on it and it opens right up - esp. now that there aren't a bunch of synths attached w/ it.   Hit "b" for browser and the synth rack comes up.  Insert a synth if Alchemy doesn't seem right.  My keyboard controller (25 keys) is a novation usb already to play.  From starting the computer through starting the interace to starting SONAR is a couple of minutes - at most.  Usually I refill my coffee, etc. while stuff spools up.  Once I start playing the only other impediment is setting the tempo or choosing a different synth.

    As far as saving - I save everything on the D drive folder.  For new songs, riffs, etc I don't have a plan for I have an experiment folder.  Once I've played enough, I save it there.  You do have to browse for that.  Then use the date or chord progression if you don't have a real name.  Done.

    And you don't need to open explorer - use SONAR's browser.  It is a little funky compared to W exploer, but certainly not project stopping.

    Mostly it is spending enough time w/ SONAR and your set up so you don't have to think about mundane things - file organization and the like.  It does take a little time to figure out how you work and to tweak your process accordingly.

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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 16:05:22 (permalink)
    I prefer to leave the Normal template with the Default settings and just name my templates accordingly. That way I can use the Normal template as a starting point for new templates.
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 16:39:32 (permalink)
    Beepster


    I prefer to leave the Normal template with the Default settings and just name my templates accordingly. That way I can use the Normal template as a starting point for new templates.
    That's a great point, and I do the same, although I've tweaked my personal Normal Template just a bit (no tracks, Preview Bus, metronome routed, etc.). Most, if not all, of the tweaks I've been making to my Normal template over the years will be a part of the default Normal template out of the box in SONAR X2. 


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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 17:18:55 (permalink)
    Yeah... I kind of wondered about why there were tracks already in the default Normal template but I just delete the MIDI track and do what I gotta from there. It was a good starting point for learning though I guess to have an example of the two track types right there on start up.
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 18:02:44 (permalink)
    1st I'd like to say, "I spend a great deal of time, sorting out folders, project folders, documents, audio samples, other projects, other files."  This seems to be more of the way, "a computer operating system is designed," rather than, "how Sonar is designed."

    Actually, we have no idea what the windows folder system would be like, if Microsofts could actually, "really and truly," re-write windows from the ground up now in 2012.

    File management is definitely something we as music producers spend our time on.  File management is definitely something, "Met Life, Hertz Rental Car, Delta Airlines, Swift Trucking, McDonalds, Coca Cola," spend a lot of time and $$ on.

    I can just imagine the monthly IT Payroll over at Walmart and Target.

    So what I suggest is, "use the date and time," when Sonar is asking you to name a project, and you do not have a song title.  Just type in the date and time.  If the project is going nowhere, and so many of them do, that is just the nature of music, then I suggest one of two thing: A. Immediately delete the project folder when you know it has died.  B.  Immediately archive your folder to a, "dead project," folder.  I most for certainly do the latter.

    Music production is very much about organization, and so is music, as music has been called out by many, "notes organized in time."  Over the last 7 years that I have been producing, I've seen my organizational skills explode.  Projects I make today, my mind never would have been able to comprehend years ago.

    IMHO, check out your Sonar Preferences, study them, and get to know.  Menu = Edit/Preferences.  Here are the first set of settings that ought to be customized to support your workflow and your way of working.  You set these up, "once," but may have to tweak certain things as you get more knowledge about production and how you like to work.  Never be afraid to constantly have to tweak that latency for example.  Things have gotten much better since the day I started producing but still, "you never know."

    After a basic understanding of Sonar Preferences has been acquired, the next step is to explore the various workflow customization that Sonar allows..

    1.  Screensets
    2.  The ability to move blocks around on the control bar
    3.  Vst Plugin Management
    4.  Track management.
    5.  Browser file/folder display management
    6. Project templates, track templates, and fxchain

    And there might even be more, but I have only been using Sonar since June 2012.  ( Although, I think its fair to say I have been producing for 7 years, so I have a good handle on DAWs in general.  And also, I didn't want a crazy, "new DAW learning curve," so I purchased the Craig Anderton Vids back in June or July, and I bought the Sonar Power Book like a few weeks back as well. )

    You may want to do this..  You may want to purchase the Sonar Power book, and the Craig Anderton vids.  I don't know..  We all self educate differently, and we all have different goals for our music.

    As far as screensets, track templates, project templates, and the other things I listed above..  I think it is imperative that they be use and explored.  For example, I have three main project templates that I have created.

    1..  Mastering
    2..  Basic studio setup
    3..  Mega Mix

    I've got a growing collection of track templates and fx chains.  All my screensets have been customized and locked.

    All this stuff has to be dealt with, for anybody willing to get the winning hand over their software.  You've got to whip these programs, or they will have you at their mercy...

    Remember, "even though they are available to everyone."  at the end of the day these are, "tools for the professionals."

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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 18:16:13 (permalink)
    So what I suggest is, "use the date and time," when Sonar is asking you to name a project, and you do not have a song title.



    To elaborate on what Seth said above in relation to LP's suggestion, There are really 2 ways to start a new project.
    1- from the file menu (new)
    2- hit cntrl/N.


    If you use the file menu (new) option you will be prompted to name the file. (this is a complete waste of time and resources for me anyway). So, I use cntrl/N. It just pops up and you're ready to go. If somethings happening, name it.
     

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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 18:20:13 (permalink)
    cntrl/n!!!!!!  hahaha..   i didn't know.   wow, cool




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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 18:31:18 (permalink)
    Whoa whoa whoa... that Ctrl+N thing is cool and all but it closes out the original project without saving. I was just working through some tuts so it's no biggie but I seem to have lost all that data. I'd be careful with that binding. In fact I think I may have to disable it.
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 18:49:13 (permalink)
    Okay... never mind. It was still there underneath the new project but I didn't get any apparent way to tab through the two projects and if I wanted to get to the original project I had to close the new project via File > Close. Pressing the close button wanted to close both projects at the same time. So just be careful. That be confuzzling for n00blies like myself.
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 19:00:57 (permalink)
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    Okay... never mind. It was still there underneath the new project but I didn't get any apparent way to tab through the two projects and if I wanted to get to the original project I had to close the new project via File > Close. Pressing the close button wanted to close both projects at the same time. So just be careful. That be confuzzling for n00blies like myself.

    All you have to do is in SONAR go to the Window menu, and all your currently open projects will be there, which you can flip between at any time. Ctrl + N never hurt anybody. 


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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 19:23:19 (permalink)
    Oh, good. Thank you again, Seth. Guess I haven't gotten that far in the book yet. :-)
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 19:24:26 (permalink)
    but I didn't get any apparent way to tab through the two projects



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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 19:28:46 (permalink)
    @timidi... Yeah I'm a dum dum. I'm just used to seeing two instances of the same program tabbed in the Win7 task bar or minimizing one and seeing the other. Still learning. :-/
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 19:32:22 (permalink)
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    @timidi... Yeah I'm a dum dum. I'm just used to seeing two instances of the same program tabbed in the Win7 task bar or minimizing one and seeing the other. Still learning. :-/

    Its not a crime to not know something. SONAR's a pretty deep app, after all. 


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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 19:35:04 (permalink)
    Still learning. :-/



    aren't we all..

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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/01 19:56:57 (permalink)
    Indeed. I just want to find the feature that makes it so money shoots out the DVD tray. ;-)
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    Re:How to be immediately productive with Sonar X1? 2012/09/02 00:23:30 (permalink)
    Wow, thank you all for so many good suggestions!  First of all, it's definitely encouraging to see that it must get easier to deal with Sonar over time.  And suggestions about Ctrl-N, or using date for project name are very good ones.  I'll also look into some of the books/vids mentioned.  

    I spent some more time with it, playing with the suggestions, and managed to set up my default template to suit my style, and closed everything, and started again from scratch, and was up & recording very quickly!  I've had a very hard time in the past trying to get the metronome to pipe to master output (don't know why they didn't do this by default), or trying to tie the midi input to a particular synth.  But somehow I seem to have it all working & saved in the template now.  So, I'm definitely inspired now to spend more time with Sonar!

    Thanks again, Matt
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