Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4

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2012/09/04 20:39:29 (permalink)

Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4

Hey Everyone! I'm brand new to the forum but not new to Cakewalk; I've had a copy of Cakewalk Music Creator 4 for a LONG time now, but recently got serious about recording. I purchased Fruity Loops 10 Fruity Edition and though I can't record with it, I have MC4; I've created some drum tracks with FL, and, as far as I know, to use them in MC4, I export the tracks as a wav or mp3 or midi... the midi isn't working for me, the mp3 sounds great but I can copy the track (back to back) to play for a long period of time. I can't combine three tracks I made because the program leaves a gap in between them, and the wave exports sound like CRAP! All I want to do is record guitars over my drum tracks, but it seems I am missing something... and I going about the process right in exporting the drums in FL 10 to wav/mp3 or, am I supposed to do something else? I've been searching for clues but nothing really makes sense to me. Thanks for your time! I feel that maybe MC4 is too outdated or something. Cullen
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/04 22:59:35 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum.
    What do the FL clips sound like when played through Windows Media Player?
    The 'gap' may be because you have the Snap-to settings set to measure, or half, or any other value that will cause it to paste where you don't want it. You can change the settings or just turn Snap off altogether.
    You can also make drum loops in MC and record audio to them, no other program needed and it's all in the same box.
     

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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 01:02:47 (permalink)
    OOOH, I will have to check that setting (wherever that is lol). As for making drum loops in MC; I purchased Session Drummer 2.0 and it made my Cakewalk spaz out :/ As for FL clips, they sound just like they do on FL when played though Windows Media Player; The way they sound, as a wav, on MC is slow, choppy and delayed. Thanks for the suggestions! Hope you can help me further bro! -Cullen-
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 01:17:13 (permalink)
    OK! So the snap grid being disabled work! Now I gotta work on getting my wav files to sound good!
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 08:14:53 (permalink)
    What sound card and driver setting are you using on that computer?

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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 10:02:19 (permalink)
    Well, the output of the sound depends on if I'm using m-Audio or not... when I'm not using M-Audio, I get no output from my FL VST... but I think I was using WMD/KS or MME-32 bit while using M-Audio as my interface. I can't recall if ASIO worked or not :/
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 10:04:08 (permalink)
    One thing I think I noticed... when you are recording drums on MC4, are you supposed to set up your drum loop on your VST, set up your audio/midi to record, start your drum vst and press record??? I was trying to do this yesterday, BUT, my FL vst in MC4 wouldn't produce any output :/
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 10:44:21 (permalink)
    You should use the ASIO driver mode with an M-Audio sound card. Visit their web site to get the latest driver for your device and operating system.
    You can record drums by recording a MIDI keyboard keyboard/controller as you play, which requires arming the track and clicking the record button, or entering notes with your mouse in either the Piane Roll view (PRV) or Staff view. You don't need to click the Arm for recording button or the Record button when manually entering notes.
    You enter/record notes in a MIDI track; the output of that MIDI track should be set to your software synthesizer (FL VST).
     

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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 11:28:42 (permalink)
    OH... so, making tracks with FL before hand isn't the way to do it? So, use a midi track with FL VST as the output... let me try this out. Oh, I see you are from NC; I'm originally from Jacksonville NC :D Anywho, I might be PM you for more help. THANKS so much!
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 14:13:06 (permalink)
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    OH... so, making tracks with FL before hand isn't the way to do it? So, use a midi track with FL VST as the output... let me try this out. Oh, I see you are from NC; I'm originally from Jacksonville NC :D Anywho, I might be PM you for more help. THANKS so much!

    Jacksonville..... I lived there for a number of years.... as a Marine in the service in the early to mid 70's and then later after I got out I hung out and played with several bands there and gigged the base and the civilian clubs all the time. This was late 70's to early 80's then I moved to Wilson. Still in NC and Greg is about 30 miles from me. Are you still in NC? 


    That town has changed a lot in the past 30 years. 



    I have FL3 I think... I rarely use it.  I should play a bit with it to learn about it. If it exports waves or midi, there should be no reason they won't load and play correctly into MC4. Midi of course needs a synth...... but if you have the proper drivers (ASIO) for the interface, it should play them exactly like they sound in FL. 

    As far as questions..... it's probably better to post them openly here in the forum as opposed to PMing someone. That way, you can get the input of all the people here who might be able to help you solve or answer the issue. 
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 14:23:38 (permalink)
    Well, I guess my problem is setting up MC4. I'm tried all 3 driver settings (ASIO, WDM and MME) and I can never figure out which one works when it does work. Here is my setup: MC4 FL10 M-Audio Fast Track for my guitar. I've made some drum tracks with FL10 and tried to drag-n-drop on MC4; the wav sounds like garbage... I don't think that is the right way to do it, as I saw in a demo, you open your drum vst in MC4 and set up your i/o puts... that is where my issue is! I am such a noob, I have an idea of what it means to arm a track lol... I guess I don't know what options to choose when I open the soft-sync (FL) and what i/o puts to use. I got it to work ONCE this morning, but didn't take note of what drivers I used or settings. I'm sorry for being a noob and I am doing research lol.
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 14:49:24 (permalink)
    Ok, so, I got my M-Audio to work and my VST... NOW my only issue is that, I can't seem to setup an Audio or Midi track to record my VST... when I choose FL VST as my input, the 'R' button disappears. And when I click the 'I' to choose input, my only options are 'None' and 'Manage Presets'... I don't have any options for midi output either in the midi settings tab.
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 14:51:18 (permalink)
      And I'm not there anymore :/ My dad was a Marine :D He was stationed at New River though.
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 15:07:28 (permalink)
    So I got stuff to sorta work; I can record drums and guitar now (I had to use my fast track as the i/o for everything, using the WDM/KS drivers (gonna try ASIO again)... but now, when I record a guitar track with the drum track, the audio is choppy, and it messes up my timing when recording, almost like I'm behind the drum track.
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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 15:24:44 (permalink)
    OK.... so the M-audio should be used as the in/out for everything and it should run the ASIO driver.  The choppy audio that is out of time  sounds like the wrong driver is being used. 

    I think you can probably use FL10 as a VST if you wanted to if FL runs in VST mode in a DAW like MC4. 

    I use a few things that are able to run as VST's but I choose not to use them that way. I create the track and then export it to a folder as a wave and import it to the audio track in Cake. 

    Get the driver situation worked out first...then see what works with FL10 and making tracks in MC4.



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    Re:Drum track sounds weird in Music Creator 4 2012/09/05 15:38:39 (permalink)
      I definitely use the FL as a VST in MC4 but I need to fiddle around with the ASIO drivers then; I'll get the latest drivers as well. THANKS for the help. I'm defeated for now but will try again later. I will also try to use the drum track I made successfully (after exporting it as a wave/mp3) and see how that sounds. Glad you guys are around!
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