Take Lanes - What do you think?

No speculation.
BUT, I am hoping it is a workflow improvement.

T

I love them and don't even know if they're buggy yet.
But I am a big fan of the idea.

This was the selling point on X2 for me.

Mike

mike_mccue


I have asked about how input echo monitoring will work with Take Lanes.

There was a statement made by Cakewalk that "Take lanes exist outside the track".

My immediate reaction to that explanation was to inquire if everything is still routed thru the tracks FX bin so as to facilitate full featured input echo monitoring through my favorite third party VST efx.




I am still hoping to get an answer.



best regards,
mike

Good question.  I hope they do a video or give us a detailed explanation of how the take lanes work. 
 
John

hopefully you can R click on a take and audition it with FX.

I can get by just fine with X1's workflow, but being able to open up the automation lanes in their own track (hopefully with a mapped keybinding) will make my life much easier and make me press CTRL+Z less haha.
I am super jazzed for X2. So many whiners on Gearslutz and facebook about really trivial things, but X2 looks to have workflow enhancements. Well worth $100 IMO.

I also wonder about how auto-crossfades are handled while watching the webinar. Maybe a blog to show us?

In the video it they fold into the track just like automation lanes. So it is most definitely and enhancement over the layers which I use a lot. Very carefully mind you. They have caused me lots of frustration over the years. 

Beepster


I really dislike the way takes are handled in X1 so this is bound to be better. I agree that the takes should stay in order instead of flopping around all over the place. I mean what's up with that? Layers hidden: Last take goes on top, first take goes on the bottom. Layers shown: Same thing. It just doesn't make sense the way it is right now.

Not sure I agree or understand what this is supposed to mean.

All of my layered takes always appear in the order in which they were recorded. Are you saying they don't?

Along the same lines as Pro Tools, Digital performer has some awsome tools in their version of take lanes.  I'm excited that X2 will have this functionality.  I don't know who originally developed the concept, but it looks like it has been around for a while.

Layers have long been one of my favorite features in SONAR.

I have found them to offer the ability to comp takes together quickly and with great precision.

There were 2 improvements that I had hoped Cakewalk would provide for layers.

1) The ability to zoom any single layer vertically for quick inspection.

2) The elimination of the famous "envelope bug disaster" that has existed since layers were introduced a decade or so ago.

I've never seen anyone use ProTools to comp a take faster than you can do in SONAR's layers.

I've never seen Cubase or Nuendo's take lanes but it seems like I will soon enough.


I look forward to learning about SONAR's take lanes yet I can't help but feel frustration to witness that Cakewalk has once again abandoned the improvement of one of it's most original and effective ideas just so it can initiate a latest copy cat feature. I imagine that Layers will become part of Cakewalk's half baking legacy.


I think fixing one grossly ignored problem (the clip envelope disaster) and adding one nice zoom feature would have placed SONAR as the fastest comping tool available.

I'm having a hard time imagining how anything could be faster than than layers... even as they work now. My guests, all of whom use Pro Tools as their reference for understanding DAW, are always amazed at how fast one can comp layers in SONAR.

I'm thinking that at best, take lanes will simply be some sort of new graphical representation of "layers", but at worst the take lanes may end up with fresh new bugs and gotchas that may take another decade or so before this latest idea is abandoned and replaced with another one of some other developers ideas.

I keep wondering when Cakewalk will figure out that it's only real competition is with itself and that it's greatest vulnerability is its consistent inability to see an idea through to maturity before it jumps off the train to get on someone else's band wagon.


best regards,
mike

fooman


How does slip editing work with take lanes as far as crossfading clips go?

Cross-fading on lanes is the same as tracks, AFAIK.


SP

I'd like to see a demonstration of Take Lanes while comping various takes on a multi track instrument such as all the tracks on a full drum kit.

Or, maybe we could see an example of comping tracks from several mics on a multi-mic guitar cabinet(s) recording.

Maybe there is some capacity, that I have yet to fully appreciate, for comping multiple tracks efficiently that will make take lanes far more powerful than comping "Layers" across multiple tracks.

Maybe?


best regards,
mike

@mike_mccue - I am in total agreement with you that editing multi-track drums will be the real test of whether the take lanes have been implemented correctly. I'm excited by everything I saw on the demo and by what Seth has added here, but that will be the real test.