Finally moved in to my new recording space

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2012/09/10 20:55:19 (permalink)

Finally moved in to my new recording space

I've finally moved in to my new recording space. It's 3.5x larger, higher ceiling and better thought-out acoustical treatments. Now if I get the lava lamp for my birthday I hinted at, I'll be totally set.

I've just finished placing the primary absorbers and adjusted the monitor EQ (needed a lot less of that than in the previous, smaller space). Now comes the fun part, listening to some favorite recordings to train my ears to the new room. And I gotta say IT SOUNDS FRICKIN' GREAT. By that I mean Tom Petty, Dire Straights, Dixie Chicks, Dream Theater, Rush and Seal sound frickin' GREAT. I haven't played any of my own crap yet.

I'll post some snapshots once I get it in a presentable state.


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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/10 21:28:57 (permalink)
    Congrats on the new digs.

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/10 22:43:08 (permalink)
    Yea, sounds like it will be more fun than raising chinchillas for profit.  Congrats.

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/10 22:45:53 (permalink)
    Good for you!

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/10 23:09:15 (permalink)
    Congrats, Bit! Can't wait to see the pics!

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/10 23:23:06 (permalink)
    Congrats! I hope to grow my studio and do the same as soon as possible.

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 00:03:41 (permalink)
    Well done, Bit.  Lots of success with the new room.  

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 08:07:19 (permalink)

    Great news Bit!!!


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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 08:14:35 (permalink)
    sooooooo jealous....

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 09:01:02 (permalink)
    Best of luck with the new room, Bit. Nice choice of bands for the initial listen!

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 10:30:46 (permalink)
    REPLACE DIXIE CHICKS...

    with dixie dregs, and you'll be more dialed in.

    LOL

    congrats...

    i've just finished setting up a new studio layout in my new old house.....
    i'm only about 75% of the way thru with it tho, more treatment, and i've got to build some kind of insulated sound panel for my two corner windows (basement, so windows are high, but most of the outer walls are below grade, so it makes that part easy.


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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 11:34:20 (permalink)
    I just realized I posted this in Hardware rather than the Coffee House. My apologies to the hardware nerds. Although this forum does attract a better class of clientele. (Bapu? Is that you peeking around the bouncer at the door? Kitchen entrance is in the back, bub.)

    bats, that's a good suggestion. Dregs will be in rotation today. I'm trying to listen to every world-class recording I have, from every genre and decade. That alone has been an interesting experience. Some records just sound good no matter where you play them - Dream Theater's "Pull Me Under" has never sounded bad anywhere. Anything out of Nashville is a pretty good test, too, whether it's pop, current or classic country or bluegrass. That Nashville sound is perfect for calibrating one's monitoring system.

    Part of my setup involved tweaking my room EQ. I use an external hardware equalizer for that rather than software (hey, there's the Hardware connection!). It's a cheap equalizer (I paid, IIRC, $150 for it new), a Behringer FBQ2496 (now discontinued, I think).





    It's marketed as an automatic anti-feedback controller for live sound, but I've never even tried using it that way. In manual mode, it features 20 independent parametric filters. What I do is start with a SONAR test project with white noise, stepped sinewaves and some reference songs, and tweak a software EQ for the flattest response. I write down the filter frequency, Q and gain settings and then transfer them to the FBQ as my starting point.


    Next, I set an omnidirectional microphone in the listening positing at ear level and turn on input monitoring. Two instances of SPAN, one showing the spectrum of the test signal/song, the other showing what the microphone is hearing, allow me to compare what's coming out of the speakers versus what's in the source. Doing this prevents me from making adjustments that just sound good, versus adjustments that improve accuracy.


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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 11:55:01 (permalink)
    it's kinda like your very own personal ARC

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 12:39:32 (permalink)
    it's kinda like your very own personal ARC

    Better, actually. But I don't want to start that discussion :)


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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 12:42:57 (permalink)

    Ah come on... give us a hint:

    Do you think the "C" should stand for *Correction* or "Compensation"?

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/11 20:57:19 (permalink)
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    REPLACE DIXIE CHICKS...

    with dixie dregs, and you'll be more dialed in.

    LOL

    congrats...

    i've just finished setting up a new studio layout in my new old house.....
    i'm only about 75% of the way thru with it tho, more treatment, and i've got to build some kind of insulated sound panel for my two corner windows (basement, so windows are high, but most of the outer walls are below grade, so it makes that part easy.

    Go figure Gonz is a Steve Morse fan!!! All the best in your new digs!!!
     
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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/12 04:37:02 (permalink)
    Excellent news Bit!

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/12 09:29:15 (permalink)
    Dave the Behringer DEQ2496 UltraCurve Pro is also an interesting device.

    http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DEQ2496.aspx

    It features a built in Feedback destroyer as well but also a 61 band digital EQ with the facility to plug their measurement microphone directly into it and it can give you a RTA display. It also has a mode where it listens to and calibrates the 61 band EQ for the flattest response automatically for you.

    It has a host of processors inside such as compressor, a parametric with up to 10 bands, stereo width control, and an EQ that is split into bands and reacts like a multiband compressor changing EQ depending on a threshold being reached or not.

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/12 09:55:36 (permalink)

    Putting a free standing dsp in between your I/O and your speakers adds approx 2.4ms (on a good day) to every thing you listen too!

    It makes twisting a knob on your controller and assuming you are hearing the subtlety of the knob twist an even more abstract experience.




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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/12 12:35:40 (permalink)
    Putting a free standing dsp in between your I/O and your speakers adds approx 2.4ms (on a good day) to every thing you listen too!

    Where did you get that figure, Mike? Of course, any digital processor is going to add some latency, but 2.4ms sounds way too high. A software EQ wouldn't add that much unless it had a 105kb buffer (4.1kb would be considered a large buffer).


    Not that it's important. An extra 2.4ms during mixing/mastering would not be noticeable. I usually mix with 2048-sample buffers anyway, which is 46ms.


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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/12 12:55:16 (permalink)

    I quote that figure off the top of my head.

    1.2ms A-to-D is about as fast as anyone is getting it done... to the best of my knowledge.

    Add another 1.2ms D-to-A and that is the other half of the 2.4ms.

    I'll assume that the dsp process can actually happen faster than real time so I didn't add any for that and called it a "good day".


    As always, I welcome corrections.








    When mixing I don't think latency, even 46ms, is an issue until your start turning a knob and "use your ears" to hear stuff that doesn't even happen for, well.. let's say another 46ms.

    Watching guys do that while they are acting like they are hearing the subtlety of a small knob twist cracks me up.

    Good times!




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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/12 13:12:26 (permalink)
    Yup, I don't worry about latency at all when mixing, only when tracking. And then I'm using zero-latency monitoring out of the headphone outputs on the interface, and never use computer-based effects while tracking.

    The nicest aspects of hardware EQ is that a) you don't have to switch it off prior to exporting your song, and b) it has zero CPU overhead. Oh, and c) it adds some nice lights to your rack.


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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/12 13:25:25 (permalink)

    :-)

    Plus you get to play your 78's through it. No?

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/12 18:46:29 (permalink)
    Oh yeh, those 78s sound much better with a little 40Hz rolled off them.


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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/12 20:30:29 (permalink)
    There is nothing like lights to impress. Everybody is transfixed by the lights! lol!

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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/15 02:35:46 (permalink)
    Images and Words is a fantastic sounding album.  The drums sounds are amazing!  A friend told me they replaced the snare with a sample snare on that album. but I havent confirmed that. 

    Gratz on the room, looking foward to pics.


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    Re:Finally moved in to my new recording space 2012/09/15 12:13:25 (permalink)
    Drum replacement is more common than you'd think, the dirty little secret nobody talks about but everybody quietly indulges in. Even Rudess records his parts as MIDI so they can be subsequently edited. Aural trickery is everywhere.


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