An Interesting Situation.

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2012/09/18 18:21:54 (permalink)

An Interesting Situation.

My sincere apologies for the giant wall of text. I was unaware that the forum mechanics don't recognize a line break without the appropriate HTML tag.


Before I get into the heart of this message, I'll give a little back story on myself to give you a better understanding of where I'm coming from with this post. I suffer from Schizo-affective disorder Bipolar 1 subtype, which is a combination of Schizophrenia and a mood disorder (which, in this case is Bipolar 1) rolled into one. I have "audible" hallucinations quite often, both inside and outside of my head. These hallucinations include hearing voices that are not there, strange sounds that are not there, as well as hearing music in my head that either I have composed in my head or music that someone else has already created.

I have tried several different medications for the Schizo-affective disorder, but none have been completely successful at getting rid of the hallucinations, and none have worked on the music. I find that (oddly enough) listening to music helps the music in my own head die down quite a bit. But I decided to take this one step further back in 2010 or 2011, I can't remember the exact year because my memory has been badly damaged by the medications I'm taking. Anyways, it was in that year that I purchased Cakewalk Music Creator 5 along with several instrument packs (woodwind, strings, brass) for the program. I also purchased an M-Audio Oxygen 45 MIDI Controller so that I could actually use MC5, though the Oxygen 45 isn't completely compatible/fully functional with MC5 in terms of all of the buttons/knobs working as they should. But it wasn't long before I realized that I had (and still do have) a very serious problem: I know very little about music production/composition, and could not get any of the music in my head into the computer. What's more, it seems that I have a bad case of composers block, and I don't know how to play the Piano. On top of this, I have racing thoughts (similar to ADD) and I have a very hard time of concentrating and focusing on what I'm doing.

This whole scheme to try and deal with the music in my head by moving it to the digital realm seemed like a good one at the time, but now I'm beginning to doubt the feasibility of this plan. I don't have the programs installed on my PC yet as I had to do a full wipe with the DoD method using DBAN after my PC got a nasty virus. I haven't re-downloaded it yet, and I'm not sure if I should. I used to have crazy ideas about being a composer for movie and game scores (Hans Zimmer is my favorite), but I have been known to be overly ambitious.


I've rambled on long enough, so I'll ask my questions:

1) What would be the most effective way to learn about music composition/production?

2) Would learning how to play the piano be a necessity or an option?

3) Am I getting my hopes up of being able to just make music for fun, or am I wasting my time by trying any of this?
post edited by Bolodenka - 2012/09/18 18:27:16
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    bapu
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    Re:An Interesting Situation. 2012/09/18 18:27:46 (permalink)
    Those are three heavy questions (regardless of your back story) in my opinion.

    You might try a local community college seeing if they offer music composition courses, but they may assume or have pre-requisites of some instrument knowledge in which case I'd suggest a "piano 101" course at the same college if they offer it.

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    Re:An Interesting Situation. 2012/09/18 18:35:27 (permalink)
    With those problems... you'll fit in well here. 

    There is a music creator forum .... just so you know... for answers specific to MC5.

    That aside.... no dream is too crazy.... well maybe some of Mooches' and Bapu's are but again...that's a topic for another thread.

    1. Listen to the composers you like and then try to copy what they do with your own twist.

    2. Playing the piano is always helpful when working with music, if for no other reason than to understand what you are doing a bit better...... but NO..... you do not need to be able to play to create music in MC5. You can use loops and you can "mouse the notes in" using piano roll view (PRV) or staff view..... I ahve seen several folks here who have actually done symphonic projects using that method.

    3. Nope..... do what you enjoy and don't worry about the score of the game..... the score will take care of itself if you are playing the game and are enjoying it. 

    There are a few web sites that may help you decide if you have what it takes to play in the big leagues with the film & TV composers.  Get your software installed and working first so you can compose. Then compose a few tunes. Post the results here in the songs forum and go to www.taxi.com and join the forum there (it's free to join their forum) and post your music there as well. There are a number of people there who are making some money in film & TV and are for the most part, pretty helpful folks. they will give you a good idea if you are ready or not to submit to the companies looking for material. 

    But... get started now by getting that MC5 up and running. 




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    Re:An Interesting Situation. 2012/09/18 20:13:04 (permalink)
    I'll try and answer #3 and it might answer the other questions as well. 

    Bapu's idea of taking a piano course is a great suggestion. It may lead you to being able to do the other quests you dream of. Even if it doesn't , you will have started to learn an instrument, which is a lifelong pursuit that can bring you great joy and I would hope be of great help to your condition.

    Good luck,


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    Re:An Interesting Situation. 2012/09/18 21:52:12 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum and the Coffee House.  

    I've done the college course and I can recommend that.  The challenge is to find a recording class with the software you're interested in.  I originally, enrolled with the aim of learning Cubase.  The class was using Sonar 6 and here I am--still using Sonar.  

    I also took a piano class.  It was worthwhile.  Even if you don't become a virtuoso, it will help you record you music more quickly.  

    Good luck, 
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    Re:An Interesting Situation. 2012/09/19 08:47:11 (permalink)
    On the piano lessons thing.... there are software programs that offer some basic instruction in piano. I had bought one for my girls and it was not only a basic piano teacher but it did so through the playing of games. An ideal way for kids to learn. Adults too. 

    I came home one day to find they had written the names of the notes on the keys with a magic marker.......   I was able to get it off pretty well with some work...... you can still see it a bit.....memories.

    For learning the basics I think something like that would be a good help. 

    You should still try to find a piano teacher locally to actually give you lessons, since that is the best way, but if your area is like mine..... finding a good teacher to start with is difficult, and the better ones have waiting lists of several months to several years. 

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    Re:An Interesting Situation. 2012/09/19 09:46:18 (permalink)

    The story of your journey is touching and I wish you the best with the challenge. I feel that your idea of pursuing a deeper relationship with music is a great idea. I'll comment on the questions in a quick manner but I want to express the fact that I do not want the answers to seem as cursory or dismissive.

    1) What would be the most effective way to learn about music composition/production?

    Most of the people on the planet do it by word of mouth using the tradition of giving the newbies a simple part and then inviting them in to an ensemble where they feel safe to learn how arrangements and harmonious playing happens amongst more than one instrument. It's traditionally been a take one small step at a time activity.

    2) Would learning how to play the piano be a necessity or an option?

    Western music theory is based on an understanding of the Piano. The Piano represents our understanding of Western Music theory. The keyboard is a graphic representation of Western musical theory. If you want to learn the details of Western music theory the piano is the easiest instrument to relate all the information too.

    In your circumstance, I would question the need to fully understand Western musical theory. There are many ways to make soulful and satisfying music without being an expert in Western Music theory.

    3) Am I getting my hopes up of being able to just make music for fun, or am I wasting my time by trying any of this?

    I think that there are many easy options for using musical instruments to focus your imagination. For example; the simple act of playing a harmonica can be an incredibly satisfying experience. There are many instruments that can provide hours of joy with an immediacy that may be far more useful to you than the study of complex arrangements.

    However, there are also some fantastic new technologies that will let you use your intuition to craft wonderful sounding arrangements and compositions with a minimum of theory knowledge or performance skills. 



    I will say, that being aware of your back story, that I am imagining that you will find that the act of actually playing simple parts on simple instruments will be far more satisfying and therapeutic than attempting to set a goal that is very high even for people who don't seem to face many challenges in their lives.

    On a personal level, I make music for just this reason, I enjoy the act of making it. It does something good for me.

    Playing drums is my Yoga.

    Playing Bass in support of a melody makes me more aware of the emotion a melody can share.

    Playing simple songs on Harmonica makes me feel satisfied in a calming sort of way.

    Playing organ to an existing track makes me reflective.

    So I'd suggest you start simply, perhaps by accompanying some pre recorded music or by playing along to the music that's in your head. Take it step by step. Making music is a journey and if you have just begun the journey you should pace your self in such a way that you extract enjoyment from the process.

    Anyways, those are just some personal ideas.

    I wish you the best and hope you find some solace and pleasure while exploring and interacting with your sound scape,
    mike
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    Re:An Interesting Situation. 2012/09/19 14:24:16 (permalink)
    Thanks for the insight and input guys. I just woke up and I should be able to get everything installed on my system again in short order. I'll look into the local community college to see if they have any music composition, or even the fundamental "music appreciation" courses to start off with. I'll try to work with the other tools in MC5 (Piano Roll & Staff Views) and see what I can do.
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