VS700C and X2

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2012/09/19 07:15:30 (permalink)

VS700C and X2

I would love to purchase the VS700C but considering that it is still £2000 GBP i cannot take a chance that it will not have full functionality with X2.
The first X2 Teaser video contained text which alluded to V studio 700 support but as of yet there has been no announcement as to improvements etc.
I for one would welcome some official input on this - please - as im waiting to pull the trigger but its to big a deal to gamble.
 
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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/19 22:49:06 (permalink)
    That would be a big gamble, I think it best you start researching other controllers.
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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/20 06:55:02 (permalink)
    Yeah, us existing users are for the most feeling slightly underwhelmed. It's hard to possibly comprehend as the 700 gear does work ok under X2, it's just not a full integration and you get reasonably frustrated at the interruption to your workflow when wanting to control plugs and the like as one example. Silly....

    We are now up to X2 and the 700 gear is left behind, that is an accurate comment... so I am not sure I would be pulling the trigger just yet. If you are intent on a hardware interaction as part of your creative process that is not confined to a mouse, then you may want to consider ALL the other options. This is indeed a damn shame as the Sonar platform has been excellent (in the most) for a long time and I believe it is still hard to beat....err, unless you want a full featured control surface.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/20 22:00:02 (permalink)
    Shouldn't the VS700 be working perfectly with Sonar X2?
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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/21 02:49:02 (permalink)
    It should work. Not perfectly though, as it was designed for 8.5. So it couldn't always nicely handle those intense GUI and workflow changes since then.
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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/22 06:59:19 (permalink)
    Yeah it does work and it's great if you are just after fader control and a few other surface features like transport control.

    It really irks you when you go for the plug in and eq control for example.... really annoying sadly. There are a few other documented issues in the forum.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 08:13:30 (permalink)
    It becomes quite an expensive piece of kit when a person is only after fader control and transport control type of features. I really, really, hope that us VS owners don't get left behind as Sonar moves forward. I bought mine thinking it would be nearly future proof since it bears the Cakewalk branded stamp! I'd like to think my decent-sized investment could be considered a long-term one.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 12:44:27 (permalink)
      It has been awhile since I've been on here, but I do try to keep up with current events, but anyways, I totally agree with Mully.  I have owned the VS-700 system for quite a while now and back then I was under the impression and investment that SONAR and the VS-700 would climb to new heights together, but that doesn't seem to be the case.  Me personally, if I did not own one, I would definitely be keeping my options open.    
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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 12:54:08 (permalink)
    It was working great with X1 for me, but is a bit broken again in X2. Which is disappointing.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 13:05:35 (permalink)
      Sadly for me too. I want to use the unit as much as possible. That's why I bought it. I live in Norway and payed more than $ 6 000 for the complete VS-700 system a couple of years ago. I decided to go completely SONAR, but have regretted that a couple of times because the VS-700 support is quite bad, I think...

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 15:44:52 (permalink)
    Just a funny (??) thought, X2 is not even advertised in the vs700 forum.

    Is there at least one person somewhere that is assigned to VS-700 support??

    Just asking....

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 16:05:36 (permalink)
    I think they invested quite a lot, but it didn't pay out by far - so they had to pull the plug.
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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 16:26:49 (permalink)
    Dyonight


    Just a funny (??) thought, X2 is not even advertised in the vs700 forum.

    Is there at least one person somewhere that is assigned to VS-700 support??

    Just asking....



    I call the vs 700 forum Zone 51 , or bermuda triangle ...


    i don't even know if i'm gonna still tell my students that are interested in , to consider the VS 700 as we have ZERO infos on the life of the product and those past 2 years weren't that encouraging ...





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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 17:15:00 (permalink)
    It's probably worth saying that the EQ button problem is the only thing I've found so far that's broken in X2, and I'm sure this will get patched. Shame it slipped through, but hey. In the meantime you can still use the channel strip control section of the VS700 by clicking on PC modules to select them rather than using the EQ button.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 17:30:11 (permalink)
    @John T , I was clicking on the PC modules and not able to alter them.... also the Display names vanish.... See thread below this one.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 17:30:50 (permalink)
    i get display latency , selection issues , act assignement weirdness (assign A to 1 and B to 2 and i get B to 1 and A to 2 ...a lot of time !!)..and since  the first day  (release)  i have pointed this to support , i still have a * displayed when a french word have a "é" !!! .....i mean , they just don't give a damn OR it's too complicated for them ...in both case : shame !

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 17:51:30 (permalink)
    Norrie: what I've found is that if you press the EQ button at all, then it's broken from then on (including the blank names problem). However, if you haven't pressed the EQ button at all since you last started Sonar, the clicking method works. That's how it is for me anyway.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 17:52:37 (permalink)
    Zo: display latency is a pain, but it's not new to X2, as such. It's been like that ever since the modular PC was added in X1 Expanded, if I recall correctly.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 17:54:10 (permalink)
    Thanks John I will check that out. Are you finding the Knobs are matching in order with the knobs on the pro channels I am sure mine are all over the place

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 18:07:54 (permalink)
    So theres no ACT preset for V-700 C or the PC modules in X2? I'm wondering what V-700 C updates everyone is using.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 18:09:57 (permalink)
    I am using the ones from the installation.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 18:31:20 (permalink)
    I was actually employed by Roland here in Australia to promote the V Studio system here in Melbourne but at a certain point the product was just dropped here in Australia and disappeared off the face the earth here. No explanation from Roland was given either which is a little rude actually as I was putting a fair bit of effort into learning it and also learning how to demonstrate it. I must say that I did receive some rather excellent training from Roland on doing clinics though which will prove useful one day in some other context. 

    To be honest I am actually very relieved I did not sell heaps of them here as I would be a bit red faced now so to speak. There would be a lot of very unhappy and angry owners if that was the case.

    Zo I would not be recommending the product to anyone. I have had countless enquiries about it and told people to not go ahead due to the vague information we actually have about it and the fact that no one will really own up and tell us what is going on.

    If they intend to fully support and update it etc then they need to say so otherwise assume the product is dead in the water and will be or is phased out already. I was interested to see at the NAMM show earlier this year and last there was not one V700 system in sight on the Roland stand  anywhere so that should tell you something.

    It was a fantastic idea but very expensive here in Australia and that put a lot of people off. I also loved the sound of the VS700R as well but that seems to be replaced with OctaCapture now.  Hey I could be very wrong and Roland may have plans to revive and update this and they may be busy with other things right now. I just wish if that was the case we could get some honest feedback from them on this.  

    When I was using the system here in my studio in the end I found the main things that I was using the VS700C for were the transport controls and using the faders to control busses during a mixdown and for those purposes the console is excellent and obviously it will still operate that way in X2 so from that point of view it is still a good thing. As a synth composer I really liked Phantom and used it quite a bit but that is easily replaced with a VST now.



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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 18:43:06 (permalink)
    I think it's great, but I think it was over-specced and accordingly too expensive. The Fantom and the V-Link integration are both wholly unnecessary features.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 18:44:56 (permalink)
    @ John T Are you finding the Knobs on the VS are matching up with the knobs on the pro channel ?

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 18:50:24 (permalink)
    Hate to sound so negative in every post lately but I don't think Roland has ever revived anything (maybe I'm wrong). Silence is usually the way they do things and we who have forked out sooo much doe ray me get screwed. creek creek creek, nobody official has anything to say.
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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 18:55:16 (permalink)
    Yet at the same time, it is included in the X2 software and listed as having improved functionality. While the VS700 is not getting the new product extended sales pitch any more, there have been updates to newer versions of Sonar including X2. While it's apparent that the V700R is not the newest most touted interface, the V700C is still a viable control surface, most suited to Sonar. Both peices of the VS700 system were much needed improvements to the Sonar DAW host. The endless wailing of users who wanted no Fantom Synth, more input/output, this and that, clearly had an influence on design progression, as well as sales numbers I'm sure. I can't say what the bean counters and corporate heads will decide, but I'm sure the inventors and conceivers have things in mind. You can't base what's in the making totally on sales figures from a specific region. It would simply be bad business to obsoless a controll surface designed for your DAW software.  

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 21:00:50 (permalink)
    Norrie: I confess I've not looked into that yet (the controller mapping stuff). I'll get back to you on this in the next day or two, as schedules allow.

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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/25 23:58:39 (permalink)
    Jeffs , the craziest thing is that even guyz from Roland don't have infos !!!

    The VS 700 C is the best controller at 2000 E ....

    gonna have for one week a nucleus .....to check ..but i already know that drivers and plugins integration will no be as good as the VS ...

    the big plus : 16 faders , built quality , multi daw support , inteface integrated (hope less noisy than the vs 700r !)

    I'm testing it for students but this might be a plan B if nothing around the corner ....a VS 800 is my dream :

    16 faders , good meterings ect ...




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    Re:VS700C and X2 2012/09/26 18:24:02 (permalink)
    Hi Zo. Just watch out with the Nucleus. It gets hot and I mean hot. Feel the rear panel (heatsink) after a few hours of it being on and see what I mean. It can actually heat up an already hot room making it more uncomfortable than without it being on.

    There is a serious power supply design problem IMO. When something gets as hot as this thing does it makes you wonder why. It means something is working overtime!

    It is good for controlling Pro Tools and maybe Logic but that is about it. Not sure how it would go with Sonar though. Let us know how it goes.

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