Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics

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2012/09/23 10:06:26 (permalink)

Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics

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This song features Justo Almario - flute, David "Fingers" Haynes - drum programming, Jim Lownes - bass, Jonas Aras - piano.  It reminds me a bit of the material from Chick Corea's "Friends" album which featured Joe Farrell on reeds.

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    Lynn
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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/23 10:20:17 (permalink)
    As I said on your other thread, this is the kind of jazz that I grew up listening to but rarely hear around here.  I've noticed that over the years you've inspired a lot of CW users with your free templates help in the Sonar forum.  I just want you to know that it's been appreciated.

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/23 11:02:07 (permalink)
    I'm glad there's at least one jazz listener left out there!

    My Sonar template is somewhat meaningless with the advent of "X".  I'm still on 8.5.3 with hopes that they'll make a "Classic" version in the future ;-D.  

    Thanks for your kind words,
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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/23 11:31:50 (permalink)

    This is the best of the three. The arrangement is nice.

    I think a more delicate mix could enhance the overall effect.

    I think I'd enjoy a more organic tone on the bass and it seems like it should be mixed further back with the drums so that they seem to be playing together at the same time in the same room. I'd probably have less thoughts about the direct and dry tone on the bass if the placement seemed more glued to the drums.

    At times, I feel the same way about the piano... other times it's sitting right where it seems comfortable.

    The flute sounds real, real good.

    It seems like the mix should serve the song and not highlight the players as much as it seems... if that makes sense.


    Thank you for sharing. I always shy away from making critical suggestions, but the playing on this track sounds so good, and the song is so nice, that it seems like this mix is just a few tweaks away from being something very special.

    all the best,
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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/24 02:52:53 (permalink)
    Great job Jonas!  Love it!


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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/24 07:40:55 (permalink)
    Great stuff Jonas. Really nice playing.
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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/24 11:50:37 (permalink)
    Excellent musicians/playing. I've listened to a bit of Chic, Al Di Meola etc... in the past and this brings back pleasant memories. Well done!!!

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/24 19:24:56 (permalink)
    I'm a jazz fan when I see it played live but don't listen to a lot.  This is worth listening to.  You guys are just great.  Last time I saw Chick Corea was in the late 70s or somewhere around there at Milwaukee Fest.  They were soooooo good.  So are you.

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/26 21:42:32 (permalink)
    @mike_mccue: So you're saying I need a slower release time on the master comp? :-D.  I lowered the bass.  It's one of the hazards when the bass player is the co-leader of the project.  I'll re-post the revised mix in the near future.

    Thanks for all the kind words everyone.

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/26 22:37:27 (permalink)
    Nice tune saras! I'm really digging the "theme/opening statement."

    I noticed the melody layering. Was that because someone was stuck or just thought it was a good idea? Not saying it wasn't because to me it was and the flautist. I liked it lines.

    Heh, I just looked at the time length. I didn't realize it was 6:20. It didn't seem like it at all!

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/09/26 23:35:01 (permalink)
    The aspect I like the least about this piece is the drum programming. Could you not get a drummer to play that groove? It does not sound anything like Chick Corea's Friends album (texture wise it does but not groove wise though) because Steve Gadd is playing on that and that is like a rocket taking off the whole time but what you have is a flat drum groove which is also too far back in the mix. (Steve is loud on Friends especially in Samba Song) I can understand why you have not mixed the drums very loud because maybe they don't feel quite right.

    It feels like it is not going anywhere for the whole tune groove wise. It is just sitting in one place groove wise. Mix is not great at times. Flute is a bit loud in places. Nice piano playing from you though but it would have sounded way better with a decent drummer. I feel even your piano playing is held back because of the groove. 

    It does not matter how interesting the music is if the groove is not happening and for me I feel it is not happening in this tune. BTW in the other latin jazz tune the drums sound a little better (programming too) although there is still some of this groove lacking going on there as well. Maybe the tempo is too slow not sure. The sax is a bit loud in the other tune and the drums are sitting a little far back as well. No piano chords under the sax sounds good. Listen to Samba Song from Friends on a small speaker and hear how well balanced everything is.

    I am just being very critical of one aspect of these pieces. The tunes and harmony sound great. I am a pretty experienced drummer myself, my son is a very good drummer and drums and groove is just one area I am very very sensitive to. And besides I have been listening to a lot of Gadd lately and really after that not much measures up too well.  
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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/10/10 19:52:32 (permalink)
    hi jsaras wow good stuff keep them comming eric
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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/10/10 20:02:30 (permalink)
    great production well done the bar never stops in this forum love it thanks eric
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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/10/10 20:41:58 (permalink)
    Jonas, I liked this tune a lot.  Excellent musicianship all the way around!  I too feel the drums are the weak link in this one.  They seem far back compared to the rest of the mix.  The bass has some really nice tones in the mid to higher registers, but the lower notes seem aggressive (distorted?) just a bit for my taste in this tune.

    I really liked the flute part too.

    Nice to hear real musicians!!  Thanks for posting this one.

    Cheers!

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/10/13 12:15:22 (permalink)
    The snare could come up a bit on the melody, but then again, it's brushes.  The bass player's instrument isn't the greatest thing in the world.  That'll will have to wait until we get rich off this recording ;-D

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/10/15 03:24:47 (permalink)
    over all I liked the song. nice arrangement. I thought the flute was great, piano was good too. Drums were a bit weak but I under stand the challenge when the drummer uses brushes. 

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/10/15 09:08:16 (permalink)
    Jazz often leaves me confused about how I should feel, the is was progressive and enjoyable!

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/10/15 09:35:55 (permalink)
    Chick Corea yeah! The piano improv sounded very sweet. The flute improv was ok for me. I would lower the bass a tad bit. I think the drums are quite adequate. Overall I like the song and production.

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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/10/15 15:08:43 (permalink)
    Very nice song.  Enjoyed everything about it.  There was some multiple snare going on towards the end of the song that confused me a bit, but overall, great musicianship on this.  And; kudos to the writer and arranger.
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    Re:Latin Jazz - Disposable Politics 2012/10/19 16:24:32 (permalink)
    I've always been a fan of Justo Almario both on Sax and Flute...that's what drew me into this thread.  Enjoyed the tune, the lock didn't suggest that the musicians were in the same place at the same time though.


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