Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips

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2012/09/23 10:50:08 (permalink)

Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips

X1 Expanded x64 Build 425 win7/x64 patch current.

I used Step Sequencer view to record several measures in individual clips, one measure per clip.  I now want to go back into specific measures/clips to review and/or edit data.

I am having great trouble understanding how to properly position/click/whatever to pull up the desired step sequencer midi clip to review and edit its data.

Can someone please please please explain to me what I need to click on and how, to be able to edit, for examp-le, the 7th measure out of a series of 10 measures that were all created using Step Sequencer?  (I know they are special midi clips because of creation within Step Sequencer, but I am trying to use Step Sequencer to edit its own data).

So far, I have managed to either open a blank measure, or open up a measure that is not the measure that I want to edit.  (I want to edit 7th measure, and it opens the 4th measure, despite my Now Time position).

Thanks SOOOOO much, 

A fairly frustrated Bob Bone
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    Re:Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips 2012/09/23 12:54:46 (permalink)
    Step sequencer is a view that can be opened from the View menu. It does not go by the Now Time, though. To open it you must first select one (and only one) step sequencer clip. Then go to the menu or use the ALT+4 shortcut.
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    Re:Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips 2012/09/23 15:17:29 (permalink)

    I DID open a specific clip, which happened to be where the Now Time marker was set, and it STILL opened up a clip from an earlier measure.

    Please try to duplicate what I am talking about, where you create several measures using Step Sequencer, and then go back in to try to edit a measure you had already created.

    I kept opening up the Step Sequencer view for measure 7, highlighting it and right-clicking to select View>Step Sequencer, and it kept bring up the midi data from measure 4.  That's a problem, and that's what I have to find a work-around for.

    Bob Bone

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    Re:Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips 2012/09/23 15:27:17 (permalink)
    I'm actually a bit overloaded with X2 just now. I have a midi track where clips are overlapping even in a single lane (formerly "layer"). It's confusing too because the clip boundary can extend several measures beyond the last note. Therefore, I can't be sure which measure full of notes I am selecting. With the "layer" system in X1 it is possible to expand the layers of a track and use the "rebuild layers" command to make all the overlapping clips clearly distinct in different layers. If you expand and rebuild layers in your scenario, do you see any sign of overlapping clips that could cause confusion in selecting a clip?
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    Re:Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips 2012/09/23 17:14:05 (permalink)
    Just a thought, and apologies if I'm stating the obvious.

    Are you talking about separate SS clips - i.e. each one created individually, or a clip you created (say in bar 4) then dragged out to cover more bars (e.g. bar 7) or copied and pasted?

    If dragged/copied applies, try snipping the clips at the beginning of bar 7 then right-clicking the clip in bar 7 and choosing "unlink step sequencer clips" then try and edit bar 7. If you don't do this then all dragged out clips are simply repeats of the first one and trying to edit any will pull up the view for the first one created, then any edits will be cloned into all the dragged/copied repeats.

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    Re:Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips 2012/09/23 19:03:21 (permalink)
    Hi thanks for the replies.

    I created a series of 1-measure midi clips using Step Sequencer view.  Each clip is contained as one measure, and has not been dragged out at all.  There are also no layers involved.

    I hope that helps explain it, 

    Bob Bone

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    Re:Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips 2012/09/23 19:58:39 (permalink)
    I had a horrible feeling you were going to say that. I suspect you've found a bug......

    The variant I get once in a while is that double-clicking an SS clip results in a blank SS window, not the already existing clip (bug reported to Cakewalk ages ago).

    My work-round is to convert the SS to MIDI clips then back again - watching out for it losing CCs in the process though. Sometimes just dragging the clip in question to a new track does the trick.

    Could be worth trying?

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    Re:Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips 2012/09/23 20:27:44 (permalink)
    I'll try it if you tell me what an SS clip is.

    Bob Bone
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    Re:Step Sequencer X1 Expanded - trouble with editing existing midi clips 2012/09/23 21:26:21 (permalink)
    Well, on TOP of the error that appears to be here with my posted issue in this thread, it also appears that the Step Sequencer is also locked in to fitting things to some number of quarter notes, which is a problem if one is working with a meter like 21/8.

    To use the meter of 21/8, I have to have that fit to quarters value set to 4, which is stupid, and then I have to insert a tempo change to double the song tempo for the 21/8 measures to get them to play properly.  It also makes the 21/8 measures occupy more than the 1 measure they are supposed to occupy.  It uses 2 measures in Track View to hold the midi data for what SHOULD have been a SINGLE measure of 21/8.

    I will repost this very same text in a new thread as a bug.

    Bob Bone
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