Kinda wondering..

since I'm all but positive that X2 will be my last upgrade...
wondering what could be offered for the future of DAW's
that could change my outlook?
 
 
 

Well after numerous reads and no ideas I'll add mine anyway...

I'm tired of all this Mickey Mouse stuff. If I'm going to use virtual everything
then I want virtual everything to full scale.

I want to slide on a helmet and dive into a world of "real world" recording.
Virtual sound rooms with virtual musicians that I can tell to play with more swing...
move the mic's on the amps....turn the knobs on the amps...a "real environment".

To set a virtual Neve board and control it with my virtual hands....enough of this
Mickey Mouse mouse and keyboard.

Yep, if the guys that build this computer stuff want to impress me they're going to
have to up the anty. Right now it's like playing pong and the most enjoyable part
of it is still playing instruments....the software and computer is just a bunch of crap
I have to deal with to get what I want and I can see a much more enjoyable way
of getting it. Tired of the little pictures of amps...I want a real size virtual amp in a real
size virtual recording room. Hell they blasted spit from bugs at me at Disney years ago..
I should be able to get a little air movement from a real size virtual amp!
I want the sound to move in relation to me walking around in that room and when I
close the door entering the virtual control booth.
Now that's where I want to be and until it's here....pftt with with these upgrades of the
same ol same ol. Additional controls for colors and crap just aint going to float my boat.

Whatever...
I know what features they're going to need to open my wallet again. I don't
spend money to go in circles.

Jonbouy

Right now it's like playing pong and the most enjoyable part of it is still playing instruments....

 
That's always been the best bit and always will be.

brilliant
+1 on what JB said

daryl1968

Jonbouy

Right now it's like playing pong and the most enjoyable part of it is still playing instruments....

 
That's always been the best bit and always will be.

brilliant
+1 on what JB said

Ah...brilliant indeed................................................................for Cake. I can play instruments
without them. I pay them to make it fun to record and now I think they've reached there
maxium offer for that.

I thought as much Daryl and ran with it....Cake needs to focus
on making it fun to use Sonar.

It's a pain in my ass to use. Not only it but we have to deal with
Microsoft, drivers, updates etc.  on and on and on.....and after seeing X2
I've determined after this it's just a milking. I could be wrong and that is
exactly why I posted.
Maybe somebody can see them doing something to blow our socks off...I don't
see it.

I see that they've created a loop and now it's just going to be making changes
only for the milking.

More power? Don't need it.
Better audio?  Don't need it.

I can't think of anything more that would add value...except fun..fun on the recording side not the playing. (just in case)

I can imagine being in a virtual recording studio that may actually be more fun than
playing the instruments. And if those two were together....unreal. I could get lost in it
for days.

Hang in there Spacey. There's nothing wrong with sitting out a dance or two and there's certainly a lot going on with computers. I'm not jumping on X2 until the first patch or two has been released. I also want to see how the windows 8 thing shakes out. 

I still haven't used many of X1's features and never will, so for me it's all about reliability and ease of use. When I get a DAW that's a rugged as my tascam I'll be a happy camper and stop chasing the dream.

I am John. Been hangin in for to many years without growling.

Exactly Mike!

You guys know we've been in the birth of this digital world and these guys obviously
need a wake-up call.
For Christ sakes man...they're still trying to work out snap to grid!

I think they need to hire some Disney cats and get the show on the road...would be
nice to see some real progress before I die.

And don't think I'm kidding. Just think how many years we've been going around
with them getting their buttons to do some simple tasks.

You guys know as well as I do....it's all about money. They get as little done with minimal
resources to keep cost low and profit high. It's time for them to focus and get real because
I for one will not let them keep milking me...ESPECIAlLLY now that I really don't need them....well after they kill whatever bugs are in X2.

And if there were more thinkers like me then there would be some action. Yeah, the technology is here.....we just need the trailblazers to go with it.
They are honestly starting to handle this just like the medical field does on solving issues....
the "answer" is how to get the profit with the least effort....and man is the writing on the wall.

spacey

Maybe somebody can see them doing something to blow our socks off...I don't 
see it.

If it's varispeed Dulcimer modeling. McQ is in.




OK, seriously.....


Did I "need" what's in X2? No. 


Do I like what's in X2. Yes.


If I were a commercial studio the answer to the first question would be yes. And then some.


As a hobbyist I find I can do all I've wanted to do in 8.5.3, X1 and X2. X1 and X2 improved my ability to do some things faster/easier but again as a home hobbyist it's not crucial that I have those capabilities close at hand. It's nice they are there.

Craig I started with Guitar Studio 1 then
Guitar Studio 2
Guitar Studio Pro 2
Guitar Tracks Pro 3
Sonar 5,6,7, 8.5
X1 and now X2.

This is the first time I've thought about drawing the line and most certain
that I have.

Now don't get me wrong...I am not on a crusade. I'm spilling my guts. I have the right.
I've put up with them for over 12 years expecting to get
a program that would let me do 2 things. Process audio and midi.

The time has come as I mentioned earlier....I think it has finally happened.
I do think that when whatever bugs X2 has and they correct them then I will
have a computer and program that will do exactly what I want to do.

Now I find it horrible that it took this long and it's not just the evolution of Cakes stuff...
it's the computers and everything about them that has had issues from the day I started.
Update this, upgrade that, buy a new PC for power to do it....change everything because
the OS changed...on and on and on .....all just to get to where I am. It'll work now.

Realizing that it seems like I finally got what I set out to get was in the least...strange.

That is what made me wonder; What next? No reason for me to just give money away for
stuff I don't need. What can they do to grab me?
That is why I seriously think....well they are going to have to come up with something that'll be very special.

I don't know if anybody will understand me and it really doesn't matter but....if I'm right
then we're either grinding to a bells and whistles marketing or something really fantastic
that I can't imagine them being able to pull off...I see them milking the new bell and whistle
that ya just gotta try to believe...well I don't need anymore bells or whistles.

So I thought I'd ask others.....what in the world could they come up with to keep people
spending? ( and please...no cowbell jokes, one of those is enough to much)

I understand Bapu. That is the main reason I sprung for X2.
It was a no brainer but you hit exactly on my point and from the
activity of this thread I can imagine others have too...

Predict......nobody has had one thing to add. I can't think of anything
either. Nothing that I think they would or could pull off anyway.

We're going to reach a point when the program works for everybody.
Just like Alex...it already happened. Others felt "complete" at 8.5.
Now I understand how they felt and feel...but I sure didn't feel that with 8.5.
Of course I could still crater Sonar and my PC with it....easily. Spectrasonics
alone would tax it to crash. Then the ability to run more ram and 64 bit
filled in the holes I had. X1 was just icing on the cake at that point.

Well I thought it was a very interesting position not only for myself but for
Cakewalk too.
I kind of imagine that they must surely be asking...where do we go from here?...and
the way I see it that is a very, very tuff question and fixing a few things and
adding more color is only going to go so far.

I think, quite simply, if you want to have fun with a DAW, Sonar is not the one.
Maybe something like Reaper or Studio one or Garage Band or BIAB.
Or, actually, Pro Audio 9.
Or, Maybe a portastudio.
Most Daws are pretty intense I agree.
I guess we're not in Kansas anymore.
Just sayin..

timidi


I think, quite simply, if you want to have fun with a DAW, Sonar is not the one. 

Pedro is not gonna like that.

bapu


Spacey,

I'd keep spending if they provide value like they did this time.

1. lanes, both take and automation
2. clip headers for for movement. Never did like the top/bottom half of clips

I wish I could predict what would float my boat but I guess I'm just a "show me and if I like it I'll buy it" kind of guy.

 
I wanted those things a few years ago, along with a 'fun' virtual recording studio setup with the bullet proof reliability of things working exactly as stated in the manual.
 
I got them but I had to look elsewhere to find them and they do exist along with all sorts of other useful features.  It was ironically down to X1 having so many issues that prompted me to find these things...elsewhere.

Sonar still has a place for me though and it's a Grand Dame of sequencers but the old dear does need a fair bit of cajoling to do some the things I already take for granted.  When you actually take the time to learn to use some of the other things out there it really highlights how clunky Sonar is in general.
 
I don't do any tracking with Sonar any more there are just simply more nifty ways of getting that job done and maintaining the maximum amount creative flow.
 
For the painstaking up close detailed work though it's still the tops and I'm just so used to using it for mixing I get lost on anything else.

Someone mentioned reliability I don't find that an issue with today's software and hardware.
 
Here's my reliability log going back to 14th May up until this minute which shows one crash the 2nd week in June. Ironically that was Sonar just failing to load one time.
 
I'm on that thing pretty much all day everyday as well doing something or another.