No Vista = No upgrade

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2012/09/24 21:43:19 (permalink)

No Vista = No upgrade

I just found out about this Update and I'm interested in the workflow enhancements. However I cannot run it on my 3 year old DAW running Vista 64? 

I can appreciate the effort that goes into making sure your software runs on older? operating systems but you've sliced to close to the bone and thats 120 bucks less your getting from me...

Yes I read that "It should be compatible" comment here and there but that's not going to be a comfort if it does not run well. My machine runs great and I do love Sonar but this sucks... 
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    Rob.Art
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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/24 21:50:34 (permalink)
    Worth the update to win 7 (64 )
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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/24 22:13:08 (permalink)
    others use it with vista,currently *BUT* they recommend using it with win 7-8 ..   did you write an email to Microsoft ? remember it's them that have changed things a tad with windows 8. thats not in control of cakewalk..

    4 years is the "normal" life cycle for a pc.. either pretty much. Although a family member has had their xp for 10+ and is moaning I told them they will have to upgrade/change before june 2014...

    video / audio / animation work as standard for years has demanded an up to date pc to get the most of out of. It's a niche market in that respect and most see that as a "taken" unless they don't upgrade. 

    Apple in the past wanted you to buy a new machine to run the latest version of logic.

    say a cpu killing / amazing sounding vst .. e.g u-he diva .. so you gonna complain to them about their plugin being too resource hungry for your pc ?

    if I removed the cob webs off my atari st / c-lab I can still use it to make music.. even though it's 18(?)years old now I guess. just obviously it don't record audio / use vst's.. and if the colour scheme brigade got a look at the screen they'd really moan ;-) (it's monochrome)

    look at it this way, at least you know NOW, *BEFORE* buying.. steinberg stitched me up *AFTER* I'd upgraded regarding the "compatibility" of dsp factory in the past.


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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/24 22:34:07 (permalink)
    X2 runs very well on Vista 64 bit. If that is whats holding you back it shouldn't.

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/24 22:45:16 (permalink)
    John: thank you !!
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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/24 23:02:26 (permalink)
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    However I cannot run it on my 3 year old DAW running Vista 64? 

    I can appreciate the effort that goes into making sure your software runs on older? operating systems but you've sliced to close to the bone and thats 120 bucks less your getting from me...


    Vista is almost six years old.

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 03:21:29 (permalink)
    There are folks running X2 on VISTA. Just depends on having drivers for your hardware available.

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 04:16:37 (permalink)
    I run Vista-64, with ALL updates, on my PC Audio Labs laptop. I haven't changed it because it works. Anyway, I don't know that much about the innards of operating systems, but someone who does told me that the last updates to Vista-64 essentially replaced blocks of it with Win 7 code, and that a fully updated Vista is very much like Win 7.

    I see more and more gear that says it doesn't support Vista-64, but my experience has been that if it supports Win 7-64, it will run on my laptop. Again, I make no guarantees, this is purely data you can file under "Well, so far so good."
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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 04:43:43 (permalink)
    I am not sure about hardware but so far the only Win 7 only software I have had problems with is the 64 version of BFD Eco. The installer has been designed not to run on Vista. But if you manually extract the 64 bit DLL from the installer file with WinRAR and put it in the VST folder it works perfectly.

    FXExpansion has taken a very cautious approach, I appreciate Cakewalk and NI not knobbeling their installers and letting the user take the risk.

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 07:39:07 (permalink)
    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk ]  XP is completely unsupported with SONAR X2. Future updates of X2 will not even install on XP so its not worth the trouble of installing IMO. 
    Quoting Noel from  http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2667835 

    Future updates will not be compatible or install on XP and Vista as they are no longer officially supported.


    Quoting from the new Sonar X2 product page  http://www.cakewalk.com/products/SONAR/X2-Producer/ 

    I wish I'd known during the pre-release sale when I spent the money. There's a world of difference between taking a chance on XP/Vista & having no chance of bug fixes on a new release.

    There's been further comment from Noel elsewhere regarding this along the lines of changes by Msoft in Win 8 make it impossible to install software on XP & Vista if the software takes advantage of Win 8 stuff. 


    edit to add: X2 running reasonably reliably on XP here (better than the initial release of X1 anyway)

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 09:00:23 (permalink)
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    I run Vista-64, with ALL updates, on my PC Audio Labs laptop. I haven't changed it because it works. Anyway, I don't know that much about the innards of operating systems, but someone who does told me that the last updates to Vista-64 essentially replaced blocks of it with Win 7 code, and that a fully updated Vista is very much like Win 7.

    I see more and more gear that says it doesn't support Vista-64, but my experience has been that if it supports Win 7-64, it will run on my laptop. Again, I make no guarantees, this is purely data you can file under "Well, so far so good."


    This is really good to know Craig. I've been debating on getting X2 as I don't want it to just collect dust if it wasn't going to work well on my Vista 32bit sys.....(I'd rather first build a 64bit machine to house X2). This bit of info changes the whole outlook........Thanks!! 

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 16:15:25 (permalink)
    Thanks Guys... Based on some of the comments on this thread I've purchased X2 and it seems ok for now. Hope it stays ok 
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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 16:28:57 (permalink)
    Vista 64 and X2 works very well together. I haven't noticed any performance quirks - actually the opposite - it's robust on my machine.

     
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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 17:13:40 (permalink)
    Can we install X2 on Windows ME? That is the REAL question :P

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 20:24:20 (permalink)
    Windows Vista 32 bit here, works nicely........so far

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 20:37:33 (permalink)
    I upgraded to Windows 7 and love it, I'd never go back to Vista, or Windows 8 for that matter. It's Windows 7 all the way for me.....
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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 20:56:32 (permalink)
    I am running x2 on vista 32 bit with curren updates on service pack 2 ... No problems here ...


    I imagine within the next year I will migrate on over to windows 8 .... I have a Amd quad with 4 gigs of ram .... (3 point what ever in reality) 

    Bu everything works great ... So I am in no hurry 


    By summer - ish 2013 I'll be running windows 8 on a self built super computer I imagine ... I'll take vista to there 


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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 21:25:41 (permalink)
    I don't know why anyone would refuse to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7, but whatever. Vista worked flawlessly for me, too, but I upgraded. Usually, things upgrade very smoothly. Very rarely do things go wrong and, usually it's user error.

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 21:32:10 (permalink)
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    I don't know why anyone would refuse to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7, but whatever. 

    I would say the reason is money. Times are tight and lots of folks have no jobs or are under employed. Spending 100 bucks on x2 is one thing .... Spending 200 more to move to windows 7 when windows 8 is supposed to be released in October is another ....


    Money don't grow on trees and I just filed bankruptcy 




    That would be my guess ..... 




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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 22:02:49 (permalink)
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    I don't know why anyone would refuse to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7, but whatever. Vista worked flawlessly for me, too, but I upgraded. Usually, things upgrade very smoothly. Very rarely do things go wrong and, usually it's user error.


    This is the most optimistic post I've read in a long time.  Nice! 

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 22:50:28 (permalink)
      Mooch, yeah, good point about Windows 8 coming out soon. I'm going to take a guess and say that these same people won't get Windows 8, either. Just a hunch. As far as money, yeah, I understand. I was lucky enough to have a friend that had a family pack of Windows 7 and he offered me one of the upgrades for free, which was nice of him. I didn't realize an upgrade from Vista to W7 was $200. I guess I've gotten spoiled by Cakewalk's upgrade prices! :)

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/25 23:42:55 (permalink)
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      Mooch, yeah, good point about Windows 8 coming out soon. I'm going to take a guess and say that these same people won't get Windows 8, either. Just a hunch. As far as money, yeah, I understand. I was lucky enough to have a friend that had a family pack of Windows 7 and he offered me one of the upgrades for free, which was nice of him. I didn't realize an upgrade from Vista to W7 was $200. I guess I've gotten spoiled by Cakewalk's upgrade prices! :)
    I am not refusing to upgrade to Win 7, I just do not see any point in sending the money and TIME to do it at this stage. I would rather spend the time it would take to reinsall and re-authorise and get everthing set up making music. I will replace my DAW next year and that will be WIN 8, If I get to the point when Vista won't do the job, I will bring that new DAW purchase forward rather than throw money into the old box.
     
    PS -  I bet my old Vista 64 bit out preforms your 32 bit Win 7

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/26 00:08:06 (permalink)
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      Mooch, yeah, good point about Windows 8 coming out soon. I'm going to take a guess and say that these same people won't get Windows 8, either. Just a hunch. As far as money, yeah, I understand. I was lucky enough to have a friend that had a family pack of Windows 7 and he offered me one of the upgrades for free, which was nice of him. I didn't realize an upgrade from Vista to W7 was $200. I guess I've gotten spoiled by Cakewalk's upgrade prices! :)


    I don't know why you care so much about our OS decisions but I build my own machines. I have done so for a very long time. I also know about OSs. Probably more than you do. I have run just about every OS there is or ever has been. I go back before there was DOS. Telling us what to run when you know nothing about us or our machines is presumptuous at the least. And simply bad manners. It is not up to you. Nor is it about money. Its what I in particular wish to do. Hope that meets with your approval.

     

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/26 01:58:18 (permalink)
    Um, when did I "tell anyone what O.S. to run"? I just said I couldn't understand why anyone would not want to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7. I loved Vista when I had it.... I used to defend it to everyone who spoke negatively about it. But, once I upgraded to W7, I don't know how I ever used Vista. Stable O.S., yes, but W7 kills it. That's what you call an OPINION. I hope that OPINION meets YOUR APPROVAL? Oh, and another point I wanted to make: for people who don't want to upgrade to newer O.S., that's fine. But, don't b*tch when future versions of Sonar don't support it. These companies aren't in businesses to stay back in 2007 with your computer. Their job is to keep up with technology and make the best possible product they can make. Again, is it OK with you that I think this?

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    Re:No Vista = No upgrade 2012/09/26 10:15:50 (permalink)
    Hold off on Win 7 and just get win 8 in October.
    It will be a $39.99 USD download if you are a currently registered XP, Vista, or Win 7 user.
    I'm running the Release Preview version of win 8 now with no problems on X2.
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