Keep rubbing

spacey

And no...not somebody from here. Somebody completely unbiased.

I'm currently unbecaned, is that close enough?

Danny Danzi is your man.

He'll take your project, start with your "mix" and then a) show you where you've missed the mark, b) show you his mix. 

All done in video form. 

And then he sends you his mix project.

bapu


Danny Danzi is your man.

He'll take your project, start with your "mix" and then a) show you where you've missed the mark, b) show you his mix. 

All done in video form. 

And then he sends you his mix project.

Thanks Ed, much appreciated. :)
 
-Danny

Just returned from lunch and ....I can stop rubbing-I got my wish. :)

My first project with X2, when I get a chance to start it, will have the inspiration
of possibly being checked by Danny Danzi. ( it's very possible it could be not worth
the effort ...lol..it's happened plenty times before...wish I could blame sonar for that)

Thanks Ed and Danny.

<runs away crying,  looks for becan>

Spacey, (Michael is it?),

I went to your music page and listened. First off, I read your rant, I feel that way a lot :). I wasn't born here in the US, I was in the UK and emmigrated to Australia in 1965. I believe generally when it comes to my opinion I give, I am unbiased, I certainly don't suffer from the US PC mentality I have run into a LOT! over the 10 yrs of my life I have spent off and on here.

I have been making music 42 yrs this year, and I turn 52 next month. In that time I have spent a lot of time playing live and being priviledged enough to have worked with some of the greats of the music industry, and recorded with a few of them. When it comes to my own music, I ALWAYS have difficulty, when I try to do it on my own, of a) being objective and b) knowing when it's done. 

First thing I learnt when recording was to listen to real stuff. Imagine what the band sounds like on stage, emulate that placement etc. Second, if you can, get hold of raw tracks of someone elses song, and mix it, knowing how it goes. Truly, ears are trained over time, and you learn what is right. Some have more natural affinity than others, and we all interpret what we hear differently.

Ok, lecture over, sorry If I have stepped out of bounds. Personally, I think what I heard, and I did listen to about 5 of your tunes, was perfectly capable, to the right market. Is that market there?, who bloody knows frankly. We all suffer from it, my wife has stood by me and poured well north of 6 figures of various world currencies over the last 25 yrs into my songs. I am truly lucky she is my soul mate, and fellow lyricist.

At the end of the day, we all love music, it's why we make it. It's what fuels our souls, and burdens us on our emotions.

Tony

spacey

.....and bad jokes. 

bad jokes?


This is my A-List material.

spacey

bapu

spacey

.....and bad jokes. 

bad jokes?


This is my A-List material.

Geeze....sorry...how was I to know?
You should hang around with Daryl....now he is a funny guy.....I think he
must live on the same street as Steve. ( I hear some eggman has a hit out on him LOL)
Man it would be tuff to have that pneumonia on that street..that could kill a guy.

:)
 
funny looking, maybe

bapu

:) tart

that I could send a project to a real pro and he could tell me just how out in left field I was.

 
None of us are true sound-recording engineers. I sometimes wonder if they even exist anymore in the digital DAW age. I'm sure we'd all like to have our own sound-recording engineer on tap to "revise" our inconsistancys to the "science". But truthfully, I fully beleive that the "science" and equipment have progressed so far, so fast, that even the best are still catching up and revising the current systems.
I look at the diversity of music today and I have huge problem finding where left feild is in relation to sound. Something fresh tomorrow? Science is notorious for pushing the envelope and then falling back to a point and starting over with a new... direction?-avenue of math?- set of denominators for a system? It's what we're all caught up in and working on.

Crg

that I could send a project to a real pro and he could tell me just how out in left field I was.

 
None of us are true sound-recording engineers. I sometimes wonder if they even exist anymore in the digital DAW age. I'm sure we'd all like to have our own sound-recording engineer on tap to "revise" our inconsistancys to the "science". But truthfully, I fully beleive that the "science" and equipment have progressed so far, so fast, that even the best are still catching up and revising the current systems.
I look at the diversity of music today and I have huge problem finding where left feild is in relation to sound. Something fresh tomorrow? Science is notorious for pushing the envelope and then falling back to a point and starting over with a new... direction?-avenue of math?- set of denominators for a system? It's what we're all caught up in and working on.

I have to peacefully disagree with the above statement. What constitutes a "true sound engineer"? To me, someone that can manipulate sounds and make them sound right on a wide array of systems regardless if people like the material or not. End of story. There is no science other than the science you allow to rule or choose your own destiny. I don't think about math, science or marketers pushing hype, systems, or being fresh or original. I create a sound...I either like it or I manipulate it until I like it. If I don't like it, I recreate it and keep at it until I'm happy.
 
What constitutes being a real sound engineer? A degree? A platinum album? Being around in the 60's to the 80's making records on tape and creating sounds from scratch? Why work harder when in 2012y ou can work smarter? Why does anything have to be considered "true"? A sound is a sound. Whether you create it with an amp and a mic, use 8 mic's and different amps, isolation rooms, weird gizmos, EZDrummer or Alicia's keys....you still HAVE to know a little something about sound manipulation. If anything, some of the sounds out of the box that we have today make SOME things harder.
 
Ever try to fit some of the East/West instruments in a mix to where they aren't the focal point? Those instruments rule...but try using them as backing instruments in a rock song or ballad. They engulf the entire mix with sound that is so big, you have to know how to trim them down to even make them usable. Just because a sound is already created doesn't mean it's going to work right out of the box. It needs to be manipulated to fit in the mix.
 
Whether you create the sound yourself or use something that already has a good starting point, you're doomed if you know nothing about compression, eq, mix placement and how to make everything fit. It might not be "true sound" due to not literally creating the sound yourself, but you ARE still engineering it and have to mix it. Creating sounds is easy...making them work or fit in the mix is the challenge no matter what sound it is.
 
-Danny

Bub


Two things I've noticed personally, and that is, the more I try to get it right, the worse it sounds. The three best recordings I've done with sonar were quick key tests. Just sang them withou trying, plopped down in front of the Mic, did midi real quick without using prv. Then did some simple eq, comp, limiting. The other thing is, the first recordings I made when I was a kid on cheap radio shack mics and tape decks STILL to this day sound better than almost everything I've done on higher end gear. I really think the more technical and in depth we get with ou hobby, the more we become our own worst enemy. Sorry for no breaks, using FF on my cell.

There's definite truth to that for sure. I have a few of those myself. That said, you should still be able to apply the old ways you may have done something, ya know? The capturing and editing is different, but the principal remains the same if ya think about it. I haven't really changed much over the years other than using guitar cab simulation a bit more because I've come up with methods that I feel are just as good as me mic'n one of my cabs. I like to run midi on a real drum kit as a safety net just in case I want to experiment or improve/remove something....and copy and paste is a nice addition as well as automated punch-in/out...which for me had to be done via foot-switch in the old days or by manually pressing play and record on my huge tape decks. LOL!
 
The thing where I think people start to lose themselves Bub...is when they try to totally change something that may work for the sake of "so and so says you MUST do it this way and use this gear." If you went back to your old gear and methods and used them with Sonar as your recording source, you should be able to come up with the same sound with the difference being a bit brighter due to digital showing you what you're really recording instead of analog circuitry or even reel to reel or cassette recording warming things up.
 
That said, I'm with you on that aspect completely. I keep things simple and try not to go too over-board unless I really have to, someone demands it or I'm in some sort of creative position where I need to do something off the wall. Other than that, I always stick to what works. :)
 
-Danny

57Gregy

Whether you create the sound yourself or use something that already has a good starting point, you're doomed if you know nothing about compression, eq, mix placement and how to make everything fit. It might not be "true sound" due to not literally creating the sound yourself, but you ARE still engineering it and have to mix it. Creating sounds is easy...making them work or fit in the mix is the challenge no matter what sound it is.

 
I'm doomed.
Anybody need some cheap guitars and keyboards?

No need for drastic actions Greg.  Just throw it together any way you want and slam it onto a CD.  Then market it to the youth of America; they don't have a clue how something is supposed to sound anymore anyway.

Crg

What constitutes a "true sound engineer"?

 
Just a general statement Danny. But, in the "old days" before digital as an example, sound engineers actually designed and made the needed equipment for recording projects, as well as tailoring existing equipment not so much by ear but the science of the frequencies involved and the electronic requirements to acheive a given effect or result. While we do much of this by ear and sound and recording engineers also do, an ear trained by the actual science and technical regimens of sound and electronics engineering is going to base their solution and results on a lot more than, "that sounds good."

But ultimately, "That sounds good" is all that matters, regardless of how it was achieved.

Unfortunately, sounding good doesn't appear to be a priority in some of the newest music...