Because of midi in,have to configure some plug ins as synths but they don't show in X1

I am trying to work with some looper VSTs Soopadoopaloopa and Mobius. They don't respond to the act controls so I tried configure as synth. This usually allows midi in for midi learn. These vst's show in the Vsti section but when I insert them into  the VSTi list they are not there. Any idea how i get them to show, so I can load them into Sonar X1?