Digitizing, ummmmm I mean transferring DAT tapes to WAVs.

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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 19:43:37 (permalink)
Digital transfer is the only way to go. Firstly you avoid the D to A in the DAT machine and the A to D of your interface. Also if a loud sound comes along you don't know about you will clip on the way in. Do it properly and stop being lazy!

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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 19:44:25 (permalink)
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Digital transfer is the only way to go. Firstly you avoid the D to A in the DAT machine and the A to D of your interface. Also if a loud sound comes along you don't know about you will clip on the way in. Do it properly and stop being lazy!

Yessir.
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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 19:50:14 (permalink)

The DtoA is using the DAT deck's old convertors.

I'll bet the convertor in your Sound Blaster is better than the converter in the DAT deck.



Just sayin.


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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 19:51:41 (permalink)
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Jeff Evans


Digital transfer is the only way to go. Firstly you avoid the D to A in the DAT machine and the A to D of your interface. Also if a loud sound comes along you don't know about you will clip on the way in. Do it properly and stop being lazy!

Yessir.

See!  I told you.
 
If you don't have a Toslink input then you have the cable already, everyone has a stereo coax lead lying about somewhere, you'll only need one half of it.
 
And do it in Soundforge, Audition or Audacity instead then the sample wont be assigned the tempo from the Sonar project and you can export it at whatever sample rate/bit depth is convenient for you.  Preferably in it's original form.
 
Set input to your digital and press record in sampler, press play on ADAT machine.
 
Simples.
 
Even you can do it.

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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 19:52:55 (permalink)

I just wanted to say Sound Blaster.


There... I did it again.

:-)






edit the spelling of Sound Blaster. There... I did it again.
post edited by mike_mccue - 2012/09/27 19:56:49


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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 19:57:02 (permalink)
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You're the best.
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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 19:59:16 (permalink)
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The DtoA is using the DAT deck's old convertors.

I'll bet the convertor in your Sound Blaster is better than the converter in the DAT deck.



Just sayin.

Yup.


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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 20:00:13 (permalink)

You got DAT right.






Are you gonna replace the drums and emulate a con-soul on yer catalouge?


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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 20:02:43 (permalink)
mike_mccue


You got DAT right.






Are you gonna replace the drums and emulate a con-soul on yer catalouge?

First I gotta check 'em all with ARC 2 before I make those heady decisions. With pure digital copies I should be able to make more educated decisions, no?


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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 20:08:58 (permalink)

I was gonna ask if you turned the ARC off before making the transfer... but then I remembered you were swimming up the stream.



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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 20:30:05 (permalink)
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mike_mccue


You got DAT right.






Are you gonna replace the drums and emulate a con-soul on yer catalouge?

First I gotta check 'em all with ARC 2 before I make those heady decisions. With pure digital copies I should be able to make more educated decisions, no?
 
What's the ADAT model?
 
If it has varispeed you should be able to halve the transfer time.
 
If you had a Toslink cable I would think you could have done 8 tracks a time too.
Which would equal (Transfer Time / 8 / (Varispeed to the power of 2))
 
In other words it would only have taken you 17 milli dulcimers instead of 82 hours, roughly.
 
If you'd have hidden behind your speakers you could have just about heard it coming out of your video wall.
 
Don't forget to wear bicycle clips when transfering audio too, they are available from all good music retailers.  Download them first don't ever stream them, especially if you are after a secret nashville tuning which changes according to the length of the string.
 
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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 20:41:53 (permalink)
If you can't make the right connections of course you could ignore all this and do what you were doing in the first place.  It might be easier given the circumstances.
 
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post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/09/27 20:44:12

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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 20:43:02 (permalink)
It's a 2 track Panasonic SV3700* DAT not an an 8 track ADAT.

It has TOS/Link and AES/EBU but not lightpipe.

My RME Fireface UFX has AES/EBU and the 2xADAT I/O (not the 1xADAT I/O and SPDIF option).

So I connected a high quality XLR to the out of DAT (AES/EBU) and the IN of the RME (AES/EBU). Selected AES/EBU in SONAR (as a test). Hit record, started the DAT. No signal. Checked my Total Mix software (which controls the RME) and the levels are set but no signal is getting in.

Sheesh, anyone but me can do this.

I'm gonna have to fly Mooch out here. He'll get it done for me by 9:00AM this Saturday morning.



*In another fred I called it an SV3800. I was mistaken (not wrong). See? It's been that long since I even looked at this box.



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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 20:44:25 (permalink)
I have never used any of the digital outs on this machine and I bought it used.
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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 20:53:48 (permalink)
They are straight though XLR cables?

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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 21:02:06 (permalink)
The AES/EBU connectors are the common ground between the two devices anyway so that's the way to go.
 
You might have to consult the book of words (heaven forbid the manual!!) to get a signal out of the right connector on the DAT machine and how to pick it up at the UFX end.
 
You won't of course be able to transfer 4-8 tracks at a time either going that route.  But I see it's only 2 track anyway.
 
(I'm shrugging at myself now)
 
edit: As far as I can ascertain the first DIP switch on the back of the Panasonic is the digital I/O format selector. IEC 958 = ON (UP) AES/EBU = OFF (DOWN). The other three dip switches should be as they were.  That should solve the issue as I reckon the RME is smart enough to work out what is coming in on it's own.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/09/27 21:36:26

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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 21:42:05 (permalink)


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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 21:51:46 (permalink)

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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/27 23:40:33 (permalink)
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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/28 09:57:49 (permalink)
If those dats have any of bapu's singing on them ...


Well then you all probably know what I am thinking about that 

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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/28 11:58:27 (permalink)
I'll bet the convertor in your Sound Blaster is better than the converter in the DAT deck.



I think thats a stretch............................................
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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/28 12:38:27 (permalink)
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If those dats have any of bapu's singing on them ...


Well then you all probably know what I am thinking about that 

Not a one. Oh wait there may be one song where I am doing a BGV. Mebee.
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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/28 14:30:51 (permalink)
New backup plan.

I'm finishing up my analog conversion.

I'll give the machine and my tapes to Jan's friend. If he can get them digitally transferred great. If not at least I have "something".

Man I've been spot checking some of the stuff. Of course, it sounds pretty good to me. I wished I had all the raw tracks for some of this stuff (I have some but not all) as I've learned a lot since the 80s and 90s. Sadly the ones I'd really like to mix are the ones from my analogue tape days and those are the ones I never transferred to ADATs when I made the transition. As well I do not have the MIDI taht was sync'd to the tape. I have nearly all my ADAT raw tracks though. It appears I've lost a few ADAT songs along the way. Not sure why. I rarely recorded over anything.
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Re:Digitizing DAT tapes. 2012/09/28 14:46:58 (permalink)
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I rarely recorded over anything.
No need, there's a secret government agency that will do that for you (for the protection of anyone who might listen to them later).


 
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