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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/09/30 13:56:04
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Quite a leap of faith to buy a piece of software in its first incarnation on Windows w/o even demo'ing it, regardless of its solid reputation on Mac.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/09/30 14:10:32
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Rain Quite a leap of faith to buy a piece of software in its first incarnation on Windows w/o even demo'ing it, regardless of its solid reputation on Mac. You've got that right Rain... You'd be hard pressed to spend $400 on a "Crossgrade" just to find out it sucks royal wienie....
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/09/30 21:32:55
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I like collecting DAWs. I've got Sonar, I got Ableton, Reaper and Renoise. I like collecting DAWs. :-) However! This insanity of mine needs to stop. So let me make it clear that I am simply not going to announce a purchase of this product. If I buy this thing.. Nobody is going to know.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/09/30 23:13:27
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Linear Phase I like collecting DAWs. I've got Sonar, I got Ableton, Reaper and Renoise. I like collecting DAWs. :-) However! This insanity of mine needs to stop. So let me make it clear that I am simply not going to announce a purchase of this product. If I buy this thing.. Nobody is going to know. If you signature changes from "too many lasers" to "too many DAWs" will that be a clue.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/09/30 23:30:56
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Glyn Barnes If you signature changes from "too many lasers" to "too many DAWs" will that be a clue. LOL.. In my defense, I have demo'd Orion and passed. Studio One and passed. Podium and passed. Samplitude and passed. That's a few of the DAWs I have passed on. I've used Pro-Tools and never thought I needed it.. I didn't exactly demo it and pass, but seen it and tried it in studios and passed. Same thing with Cubase.. I've used it, know it, and seem to have managed to do without it. A couple of other DAWs I have tried would be MAX/Msp which, imo, is not really a DAW, or is.. I dunno what Max is. Least to say I am not using it. I've managed to demo Bidule and pass. I've owned Traktor, and managed to sell it, ( I don't know how, lol KVR ), just as Mackie was dropping support for the product. DP has no demo. I've never seen it/used it, but I find it interesting. Its up there with Sonar and Cubase. Although, I must confess.. Having Sonar, I see little need to actually go ahead and purchase DP. There is also Pyrimix, and that is prohibitively expensive for me, and I do not know to much about it. Finally, I would like to sell my Ableton Live 7 License. I am not using Live at all right now. And Reaper has become my, "mp3 encoder," as it uses the Lame Codec, but I use the software for nothing else but. Kinda sad, imo... What is preventing me from selling Ableton, is the fact that my license has yet to be upgraded to 8, and I have seen folk selling their Live 8 licenses for $200.. So why would anybody want my Ableton Live 7, which I would like to sell for $185... Seeing as the cost to upgrade a 7 --- > 8 is $150.. It looks like my Live 7 is worth about $50. When Live 9 arrives, I bet I will have a short and sweet window to try and sell my Live 7. Cause all the Live 8s will be off the market, and I expect a 7 --- > 9 upgrade to actually be less expensive.... Ableton, seems to have hit a trouble spot!!
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 07:56:28
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I've been keeping my eye on that for a while as it's used a lot for film scoring stuff and supposed to be really good for that. But first version on a new OS with no demo? Sorry no.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 08:24:50
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They refund your money.. If you do not want the product. Its fully returnable.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 09:43:23
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Linear Phase They refund your money.. If you do not want the product. Its fully returnable. WOW....now that's confidence...and customer support.... +10000000000000000000000000000000 for Motu!
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 11:31:39
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It does have that great grey-on-grey common color scheme. BUT!! all those one click buttons!!!! Didn't those guys get the memo that the last couple of years were all about "decluttering?" Adding menus for everything? Adding extra clicks everywhere to help improve "workflow." To help the smart tool be many smart tools? Looks like it may be too easy to use.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 13:31:52
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jm24 It does have that great grey-on-grey common color scheme. BUT!! all those one click buttons!!!! Didn't those guys get the memo that the last couple of years were all about "decluttering?" Adding menus for everything? Adding extra clicks everywhere to help improve "workflow." To help the smart tool be many smart tools? Looks like it may be too easy to use. LOL.... Don't ya hate when that happens.... All I know is if it's anywhere near as solid on Windows as it is on a Mac....there's gonna be a big hurt on the PC DAW's.... Don't get me wrong...I love Sonar....but I think doing a few minor (yes minor) innovations to a program, and adding a few cool new Plugins does not a Major Upgrade make....and don't all you fan bois go gettin' your panties in a bunch... and most other DAW's have had those things for a while now....so it's not like its a "major" leap forward.... One of the things I find "odd" about X2 is ....you can scroll the ProChannel (which is nice) in the Inspector, but NOT the Channel Strip...that..to me, is just kinda dumb...it forces you to go to the Mixer view to scroll, but, hey, that's just me I guess...as well as a few other oddities...but, hey...it is what it is...
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 15:45:56
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I've always had an interest for DP but never had the opportunity to actually use it. Two friends of mine use it from time to time, one mostly for compatibility reason though he doesn't like it all that much, and the other, who has been using it for years along w/ Pro Tools and Logic. We were actually discussing about that stuff last night and one key selling point for him is scoring to movies - that's the main reason he's still using it. However, even if he likes it for certain things, he told me he finds himself using it less and less because it isn't as straight forward as Logic.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 16:09:45
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Rain I've always had an interest for DP but never had the opportunity to actually use it. Two friends of mine use it from time to time, one mostly for compatibility reason though he doesn't like it all that much, and the other, who has been using it for years along w/ Pro Tools and Logic. We were actually discussing about that stuff last night and one key selling point for him is scoring to movies - that's the main reason he's still using it. However, even if he likes it for certain things, he told me he finds himself using it less and less because it isn't as straight forward as Logic. I hear that ...I think they've made some major improvements in that department with DP 8....if Logic ever went Cross Platform....the whole game would change I'm sure... I'd certainly like to DEMO this program. Now that I know I can return it if not content...that's a good reason to "try" before you buy...but still have to fork out the $400 bones up front...and go through the headaches of a "return process"...maybe one day they'll get a demo up....would behoove them to do so... If Pro Crap ever makes it to 64 bit, that will be a big deal as well....( sorry - I have a huge dislike for Pro Tools - their customer support and product support is horrendous...one can only hope they are working on MAJOR improvements) BOTH of those things would really shake up the PC DAW market... And Stinkburg/Cubase would have to seriously rethink their strategy if they were to remain viable...Cubase has some pretty incredible features...and Stinkburg has just released Nuendo LIVE, too...but if Logic and DP BOTH went CP.....there would be mountains being moved....by everyone in the PC DAW game.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 16:57:12
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I don't see the venerable DAWS "moving mountains" to be honest. There are a stack of them - including Sonar- but they cannot compete on price to the Lite Daws such as Reaper/Studio One etc. I've mostly read about all the famous people who use Digital Performer (sounds like a porn studio), but have never actually seen it let alone used it. Samplitude is another one in the same boat- lots of Pro users apparently but no one I have ever met. Logic- I don't know where the Mac crowd think that is going. Maybe they might just call it Garageband and give it away free from now on. Probably more pros use Logic than Pro Tools though. I own Sonar, Reason and Nuendo and all three are terrific in their own way. It seems there are no new ideas in the DAW world now- the new ones are about 10 years behind and catching up very slowly (Reaper you couldn't even call "new code" anymore) and the old ones like Sonar and Cubase just chug along trying to stay cool.
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Rain
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 17:16:41
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backwoods I don't see the venerable DAWS "moving mountains" to be honest. There are a stack of them - including Sonar- but they cannot compete on price to the Lite Daws such as Reaper/Studio One etc. I've mostly read about all the famous people who use Digital Performer (sounds like a porn studio), but have never actually seen it let alone used it. Samplitude is another one in the same boat- lots of Pro users apparently but no one I have ever met. Logic- I don't know where the Mac crowd think that is going. Maybe they might just call it Garageband and give it away free from now on. Probably more pros use Logic than Pro Tools though. I own Sonar, Reason and Nuendo and all three are terrific in their own way. It seems there are no new ideas in the DAW world now- the new ones are about 10 years behind and catching up very slowly (Reaper you couldn't even call "new code" anymore) and the old ones like Sonar and Cubase just chug along trying to stay cool. IMHO, Logic is doing just fine. Even if it's a few years old, version 9 is still pretty awesome. I think the idea is to give people a glimpse of Logic w/ Garage Band and then when they feel the need to upgrade to something bigger, then Logic only makes sense. Garage Band being similar to OEM software and all those light/free versions that you get w/ hardware. For $200, Logic is probably the least expensive option out there (cheaper than a commercial license for Reaper). Personally, it's the software I've seen the most often out there among songwriters and composers.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 17:26:08
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jm24 It does have that great grey-on-grey common color scheme. BUT!! all those one click buttons!!!! Didn't those guys get the memo that the last couple of years were all about "decluttering?" Adding menus for everything? Adding extra clicks everywhere to help improve "workflow." To help the smart tool be many smart tools? Looks like it may be too easy to use. At least DP 8 gives you "themes" where you can change the appearance and the color scheme....that's a bonus... At least you can choose how you want it to look!
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 19:19:48
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backwoods just chug along trying to stay cool. That sooooooo describes me to a tee.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 19:33:17
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As an owner of MOTU Ethno 1 and former owner of BPM, I've been VERY disappointed by their support for their software. They are terrible when it comes to keeping them updated, fixing bugs, keeping their customers informed, etc. That's been my experience, at least.
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Rain
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/01 19:39:00
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I think that DP may be tempting for some Sonar users as it addresses 2 long-standing issues w/ Cakewalk products - notation and video.
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/03 01:14:58
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cclarry I'd certainly like to DEMO this program. Now that I know I can return it if not content...that's a good reason to "try" before you buy...but still have to fork out the $400 bones up front...and go through the headaches of a "return process"...maybe one day they'll get a demo up....would behoove them to do so... Come to think of it - that's $400 for the crossgrade. Anyone who wants to try it out w/o trading their current software will have to pay $795. Even if it's refundable, it's simply ridiculous, imho. Also notice that the Windows version isn't available just yet (final testing stages). Considering that they originally announced that version 8 would ship "Spring 2012", I'm not sure what to make of that...
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Re:Digital Performer 8 for Windows hits the streets....
2012/10/03 07:22:12
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I've decided, I'm probably, most likely, going to pass on this. I've got Sonar, I quite like it. Sonar is 100% professional, and is, "just as much," an industry standard as Cubase, and Pro-Tools at this point. Furthermore, I've got two daw already, whose licenses I can not sell, and I am simply not even using them. Ableton, and Reaper... They are basically, "collecting digital dust." Rather than spend several hundred on, "yet another daw;" I'd prefer to upgrade Sonar, and perhaps buy some other plugins... The plugins in DP do not corner the market on synthesis, eq, phase, reverb and delay... Lastly, Sonar's 64 bit, double precision up to 348 khz is a better spec than Digital Performer, and in closing, I would add that I have seen bugs and problems in all my softwares... Some have more, some have less..... Nothing has been as bad as Mackie's now defunct Traktion 3.
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