So what's the big deal with take lanes?

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 15:33:48 (permalink)
LOL.... Shameless plug......

Any way in the SWA Complete Sonar X2 video did you notice that I got to mention songs in 5/4 time. In the Step Sequencer video IIRC. I nearly giggled as I was narrating it.

(See what I did there?)
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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 15:58:28 (permalink)
Briiliant Karl,

Well Done.

BTW< have not started the vid yet. Sorry mate.
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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 16:01:00 (permalink)
That's alright as long as you've paid for it.
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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 16:11:58 (permalink)
If Cakewalk do make the lanes infinitely explodable in the future, I certainly hope they'll make it an option. I love the way it works right now: Expand them, and they become just big enough for my purposes! No more rezising up and down.





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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 16:17:21 (permalink)
It seems, to me, like it would be cool if you click once (or something like that) to make them the size you prefer... and then maybe I could click a few more times to make them the size I prefer.


I thought the ultimate thing, and the thing I had requested as a feature when the survey was sent out, would be the ability to expand any particular layer or lane on the amplitude axis as far as you wish without expanding the ones you don't care or need to see in such detail at the moment. Sort of just like tracks work.

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 16:30:54 (permalink)
thought the ultimate thing, and the thing I had requested as a feature when the survey was sent out, would be the ability to expand any particular layer or lane on the amplitude axis as far as you wish without expanding the ones you don't care or need to see in such detail at the moment. Sort of just like tracks work.

 
While I do like the way Take Lanes work in X2, which is probably obvious, I would like them even more if they had their own version of Auto Zoom so that the selected lane was one size and all others another size.   Turn that off, and you'd get the current behavior where dragging the height of one lane changes them all. 
 

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 17:41:37 (permalink)
stevec

  
While I do like the way Take Lanes work in X2, which is probably obvious, I would like them even more if they had their own version of Auto Zoom so that the selected lane was one size and all others another size.   Turn that off, and you'd get the current behavior where dragging the height of one lane changes them all. 
 

That could work!





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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 17:59:11 (permalink)

I was over at my DAW and I was reminded that when I zoom vertically on tracks and layers in v8.5 I don't actually click at all.

I just press my pen down on my Wacom tablet (which is the equivalent of holding down the left mouse key) where the + or - is on the bottom right margin and the zoom just happens until I lift it off to stop the function.

I can stop at any time, and just zoom a little bit, or I can let it zoom all the way so that a single clip fills the screen.

I love that. it works so fast and effortlessly.

In-Out, it goes so fast I'll bet that's why they call it "zoom".


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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 18:12:24 (permalink)
I just press my pen down on my Wacom tablet (which is the equivalent of holding down the left mouse key) where the + or - is on the bottom right margin and the zoom just happens until I lift it off to stop the function.

 
Interesting...  I literally never use the zoom icons at the lower right corner of the TV.   Instead, I always using keyboard shortcuts and/or timeline zoom.   Gotta love flexibility.
 
Karl probably has his zoom levels predefined in Screen Sets.  
 

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 18:17:57 (permalink)

I love hot keys, but the way I use my Wacom tablet makes some mouse type stuff seem, to me, to be fast, precise, and ergonomically comfortable.

It seems like a lot of people avoid the traditional mouse, and I sometimes wonder if it's because they are not as comfortable, precise, or fast.

I rarely use a regular mouse myself.

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/01 18:23:30 (permalink)
I haven't seen a tablet used in years, and even then it was for CAD vs. a DAW.  I knew quite a few people that really liked them and would avoid using a mouse when possible, but they just never seemed to click for me.    Then again, that was CAD and this isn't...
 
 

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 03:42:19 (permalink)
Karl probably has his zoom levels predefined in Screen Sets.  

How did you guess?

I have a "multi-edit" screenset already zoomed in on one track in an almost full screen track view with just the edit filter visible in the track header. At the very bottom is a really small console view with just track name, number, and MSR buttons visible that I use to change the track view focus above it with.

It's a real quick way to work for sure. Have I ever mentioned how much I love screensets?
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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 04:26:17 (permalink)
mike_mccue


I love hot keys, but the way I use my Wacom tablet makes some mouse type stuff seem, to me, to be fast, precise, and ergonomically comfortable.

It seems like a lot of people avoid the traditional mouse, and I sometimes wonder if it's because they are not as comfortable, precise, or fast.

I rarely use a regular mouse myself.

all the best,
mike
I'd love to use my Intuos4 in Sonar but the fader/knob jittering makes it unusable and then you have to go back and forth between mouse and tablet, and I LOVE my tablet.

Once you've used a tablet long enough to build up muscle memory you don't have to move a mouse around, you just point and click dead on, it's awesome and so much more presize, but it takes time for muscle memory to develop, so make sure you give it some time before deciding the mouse is better.

btw earlier in the thread you mentioned colorizing the clips in lanes, I'm still new to Sonar and I'd love to know where that option is? Only place I can find colorizing options is in preferences.


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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 04:41:39 (permalink)
Kenneth, you can change a clip's colours in the Inspector.

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 04:49:17 (permalink)
Thanks, I guess I missed that because I like to separate mixing and tracking completely so I never use the inspector in track view.

If I have mixing options when tracking/composing it's like giving a mirror to a Canary

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 05:27:03 (permalink)
Hmm, I can't seem to make the color stick for individual clips in the lanes, no matter how I select the color change happens for all lanes.

Mike mentioned that he made the good takes yellow and the ok ones orange and that would be neat, just can't seem to make it work via the track inspector foreground/background options no matter how I select them.

EDIT: Bah, I'm dense today, I had track properties selected in the inspector instead of clips.
post edited by Kenneth - 2012/10/02 05:37:55

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 06:10:19 (permalink)
Hi Kenneth,
 I don't know if it works in X... I went back to 8.5 about a year ago.

 In 8.5 you simply right click over the clip and choose a color.

 It should work in X as well... I just don't remember the details.


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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 06:35:37 (permalink)
It works.

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 06:47:51 (permalink)
In X series it's a left click with the clip inspector open. I find it better than the "old" way mainly because I find it easier to do multiple clips at once and once the inspector is open it's simply click on clip - change, clip - on clip change, ad infinitum. No need to keep opening the menu as it's already open.

I think of the inspector as a right click menu on steroids only it's accessed via an I keypress rather than a right click. I have mine floating and hidden so it's always a keypress away when needed.

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 07:04:38 (permalink)
Got it sorted, I just had the track tab selected in the inspector, once I stopped being dense and clicked the clips tab it worked a treat 

I have mine hidden and floating to, don't like having it open/docked as I'm only using it for colors, console is for mixing, track view is for composing or I end up messing with all the shiny knobs instead of getting things done

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 07:11:02 (permalink)
I have mine open most of the time. The track inspector is the single most powerful tool in Sonar. That is not including PC. That just knocks it into a new orbit. Sort of a quantum leap.

Combine it with screensets and well its too awesome to contemplate. 

Its too bad Mike has chosen not to learn X1/X2. Pining for a revisit to the past is sad and not going to happen.

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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 07:24:53 (permalink)
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In X series it's a left click with the clip inspector open. I find it better than the "old" way mainly because I find it easier to do multiple clips at once and once the inspector is open it's simply click on clip - change, clip - on clip change, ad infinitum. No need to keep opening the menu as it's already open.

I think of the inspector as a right click menu on steroids only it's accessed via an I keypress rather than a right click. I have mine floating and hidden so it's always a keypress away when needed.

HTH

Or bind a key on your mouse to I and it's really a mouse menu. A gaming mouse is nice for Sonar, I have a razer naga, 17 buttons on the mouse ready for keybinds  Takes a while to get used to if you have gorilla hands as they are a bit on the tiny side.



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Re:So what's the big deal with take lanes? 2012/10/02 07:26:06 (permalink)
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I have mine open most of the time. The track inspector is the single most powerful tool in Sonar. That is not including PC. That just knocks it into a new orbit. Sort of a quantum leap.

Combine it with screensets and well its too awesome to contemplate. 

Its too bad Mike has chosen not to learn X1/X2. Pining for a revisit to the past is sad and not going to happen.

I know we all have our own way of working and what works for others well,........ works, I'm not knocking that. I just find it incomprehensible that some find the old ways easier and quicker. Doesn't make me right I hastely add, just bewildered, or perhaps I was missing something in earlier versions.
 
Whatever, I'm real happy with the way it works now.
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