rosstracy
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USB noise through DAW and monitors?
Hey all, I don't think this is a specific Sonar X2 question more than a general system question, but I wanted to see if anyone else has run into this. I'm using a DELL laptop for Sonar X2 (works great, believe it or not!) and I have a Tascam US-1800 interface connected via USB. I'm using a Furman PL8C power conditioner, m-audio BX5a monitors and SBX10 subwoofer. When I plug everything in and turn it all on, I get this god awful buzzing/hum/noise (inconsistent noise, not a steady hum) coming through the monitors. I recently added the Furman to see if I just had some dirty power, but I get the same result. Now when I unplugged my laptop from power, the noise stops. Clearly something is bleeding through the USB and along into everything else. Is there anything out there that I can use for a USB filter or power filter?
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/01 15:05:56
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I get the very same thing with my laptop setup. My "work around" to this problem, although I wouldn't suggest anyone else does it, is to remove the earth from the plug of the laptop power supply. It works.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/01 16:07:35
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synkrotron I get the very same thing with my laptop setup. My "work around" to this problem, although I wouldn't suggest anyone else does it, is to remove the earth from the plug of the laptop power supply. It works. I've done this as well... by plugging the three pronged plug into one of those 3 prong to 2 prong adapters... if worked to remove the hum when I was using a Korg synth.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/01 16:52:44
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I had that type of noise but it was not on a lap top. I have a rack mount custom built computer. I was using a USB hub. The hub came with an external power supply but I wasn't using the power supply. I called the manufacture of the computer and they told me to plug in the power supply and it would clear the noise... I hooked up the power supply and the noise was gone.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/01 18:12:54
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it's commonly known as an earth loop.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/01 18:46:32
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/01 23:50:09
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Is everything relevant to audio plugged into the same outlet? If not, you could be plugging into separate circuits and that would make this kind of problem much worse. While you're at it, try moving any non audio related things like lamps to another plug/circuit.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/02 01:01:31
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I recently had a problem with noise, and I did a bunch of stuff to fix it. It turned out to be my WiFi Antenna. So, I yanked the card out and went with a wire for my internet. Now, it's nice and quiet. I'm using a Yamaha Steinberg CI1 USB Audio box. Maybe, disabling your WiFi will help.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/02 01:56:44
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Many laptop external power bricks don't provide very clean power and this kind of noise is a very common laptop problem. You can't fix it up by using things such as star pattern power linking as the problem is not an earthing issue ; rather poor cheap power supply design. PLEASE: NEVER do the remove an earth pin trick. While it removes the hum it also opens you up to the danger of electrocution if a fault should occur. As already mentioned, there are devices you can buy to eliminate the hum or you can try replacing your laptops external power supply.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/02 01:59:24
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It isn't necessarily the USB...its a problem with switching power supplies that all computers run on...relocating the PSU or trying to isolate it might help (believe it or not wrapping it in copper foil can help, if you've ever taken one apart they generally have this already)... Getting the audio device and the psu as far apart as possible might help... And again depending on the grounding scheme of the tascam it may be isolated to that device...make sure you don't have any transformers close by, any pre-amp units or switching psu's like for a monitor etc... It is very doubtful that it is the USB that is picking up the noise since it is dumping A/D into your laptop...
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/02 04:03:17
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I need to make one thing clear here, it is NOT a humming noise. It is more a digital data noise. If you drag your mouse across the screen or switch windows or do anything related to the display, the sound changes slightly. It is not an earth loop either. I know enough about this subject to know this as fact. The dodgy power supply theory is a good one. I also had this problem on my desktop DAW and I isolated the problem being caused by one of the monitor screen power supplies. I removed the earth on that too and it solved the problem. And in this situation I was using a PCI soundcard, not USB, so that discounts it being a USB problem, in my mind. For me it's not much of a problem because I don't often use my monitor speakers, but I should, some day, find a more suitable solution other than removing the earth connection.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/02 04:57:39
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What kind of monitor are you using? I had to stop using my 60" plasma as it emitted this godawfull digital humming no matter what I tried, much higher pitched than normal hum, Removed it and went with a 40" LED, humming gone. (And room temp dropped like 20C  )
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/02 04:59:35
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At the moment I am just using my laptop monitor.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/02 05:13:54
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Just read the OT properly, you say it goes away when you just run on batteries with the powersupply off, that definitely sounds like a bad switching powersupply. Has it done this from the start or did it just start to happen recently? If the latter maybe you could get a new powersupply to see if it's going bad. I used to have the halogen lighting here run on 12v with a switch mode powersupply and it slowly started doing that digital humming as it got older, switched to a 120 halogen system of the mains and it went away.
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rosstracy
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/11 19:08:41
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This is why this forum rocks! Thanks all for the replies and things to try, synkotron is correct in the fact that the humming "changes" when I move the mouse. It definitely stops when I unplug the power cord either from the wall or the laptop. My workaround has been working from battery (GAH!) when I really need to listen to things. I'm leaning towards the powersupply in the laptop being somewhat ****ed, but I can't do much about that right now. I plan on moving to a non-laptop setup at some point, hopefully that will "fix the glitch and work itself out naturally". (guess the movie!) Anyhow, I may try the HumX to see if it works, it's a cheaper method to try for now.
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Re:USB noise through DAW and monitors?
2012/10/11 20:24:31
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Way back I had this Acer TM ( 2004) I paid about $1500 for it which was cheap in those days.. and it had the same issue of static noise via the on board or my Fast Track when on A/C only. I was told to try the ground lift trick and it worked, BUT, My battery died about a month later... Didn't think much about it so I bought a new battery that lasted 2 months??? I checked the voltage output and it was actually moving up and down and hard to read???? So, beware of crappy power supplies for laptops. Now on my shopping list for a laptop is it has to have only a 2 prong AC cord.
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