do you prefer older or younger?

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2012/10/04 03:48:24 (permalink)

do you prefer older or younger?

instruments? because whenever I go to GC and try some older used gear they sound better, warmer
build quality is better and usually the design is better so what's going on with technology? are we going backwards?
I am keyboardist so I'm talking mostly about keyboards and organs. I guess it will be probably less visible with guitars 
since they haven't changed that much, have they?


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To answer my question yes I prefer older, they can teach you a lot.
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    mgh
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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 03:59:50 (permalink)
    i think generally anything sub £500 has improved immeasurably in the last ten years, due to cheaper production costs in places like Indonesia, Korea and China and computer-aided design/manufacture resulting in far fewer mistakes/seconds. OK, keyboards have also become more sophisticated and perhaps less intuitive, and certainly they're not made of wood and valves and weigh several hundredweight, but equally the range and depth of sound produced is awesome. so i would have to disagree, in general - but certainly some instruments (thinking wood-based ones mainly) can gain with age, hence your premium for a 1890 Steinway piano, 1690 Stradivarius violin or 59 Les Paul...

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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 05:02:38 (permalink)
    mgh


    i think generally anything sub £500 has improved immeasurably in the last ten years, due to cheaper production costs in places like Indonesia, Korea and China and computer-aided design/manufacture resulting in far fewer mistakes/seconds. 



    I don't think so, besides let's not compare here the prices but the same type of instrument. Obviously today you'll get cheaper good instrument then 15 years ago. E.g. in roland line have you tired current gaia synth? the same equivalent from seventies/eighties is better built (keybed) and has way better sounds. There are many more examples like this.
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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 08:49:48 (permalink)
    I went to Guitar Center to look for older instruments once.  I asked for a Lyre and they sent out the Manager.
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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 08:57:00 (permalink)
    I agree with the quality of the cheaper instruments getting better with all the computer controlled machines they now use to make a guitar....... 

    The older instruments do, for the most part, have better woods in them, and with the new prohibition on using wood from rain forests, well, those woods are simply not available in the quantity or the quality that they once were. So the dense quality woods that luthiers crave to build quality instruments will become scarce and will be replaced with other substitutes. 

    I'm personally looking forward to seeing this go into production. Old pine boards from barns..... slap on some parts and call it a guitar. 




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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 09:06:09 (permalink)
    The new Squier...
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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 10:07:15 (permalink)
    As a keyboardist, I have a 1930s vintage Hammond AV and a 60s era 147 Leslie. and a 1978 Rhodes Stage.
    The smell of wood, oil, electrical parts, tolex; the sound od real tonewheels , tines, and speakers can never be duplicated by my Nord or sample libraries.

    Do I haul these to gigs?? Never..SO there is a compromise with purist vs practicality.

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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 12:42:58 (permalink)
    UbiquitousBubba


    I went to Guitar Center to look for older instruments once.  I asked for a Lyre and they sent out the Manager.


    Laff!

     
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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 13:01:44 (permalink)
    UbiquitousBubba


    I went to Guitar Center to look for older instruments once.  I asked for a Lyre and they sent out the Manager.

    I see what you did there.


    The salesman kid was unable to help lie to you so he went and got the manager better Lyre.

    Prolly the kid got fyred for not being a good Lyre salesman.
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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 13:22:35 (permalink)
    my '77 ibanez artist sounds and feels AWESOME.


    my 2006 custom USACG strat build, sounds and feels AWESOOME


    so i guess i prefer one of each, please.


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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 13:34:31 (permalink)
    My 35 year old Alembic plays sweet.

    My 1987 Strat plays pretty sweet.

    My 2008 P-Bass plays pretty sweet too.

    My 2011 Line 6 JTV-69 plays sweet.

    I likes mine old, new and in between.
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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 17:32:14 (permalink)
    It's interesting that there is probably a wider selection of guitars today than anytime in the past. I drop in GC once a week because it is near my house. I have played maybe 3-4 guitars per week on average times maybe 10 years so that's about 1820 guitars I've played at GC since 2002, probably another 1820 prior to that across the years. So total maybe 3640 guitars so here are some general trends.

    - Telecasters vary so much from guitar to guitar I cannot say that any one line or version is good or bad. It's still a hit or miss experience on finding one that stands out by resonance, sustain, sometime unique quality like weight, neck to match my hands etc. Sometimes it's a road worn, sometimes a vintage older model. One thing that is interesting is that the majority of custom shop guitars I have played, maybe 30 all told, I have not bonded with even one of those. Generally those expensive necks are stiff playing and the guitars because of the woods are too heavy. There is more soul sometimes in just a standard 52RI or Nocaster RI.

    Strats- Pretty much the same thing except a vast majority sound the same more often than teles. Some are thinner sounding, a few have that unique clarity and sustain and reveal subtle string bends more than others. There are more overall duds in this crowd than the telecasters.
     
    Les Pauls or most Gibsons - I've done my time with one of these boat anchors hanging on my shoulder for 4 hours a night over years. Love the sound, hate the weight. There are also so many versions now in hollowed out versus full body, I lost interest and track years ago. But I repeat fantastic guitars by and large.
     
    All the rest - totally hit or miss on finding something amazing.
    Vintage about 50% of the time are either killer or would be a good canoe paddle. I have played quite a few of the RIs both strat and tele that would rival many vintage.

    Then there are the holy grails, a lot of them are on the Hollywood GC wall. Early teles and strats that define the experience of playing a fine guitar.

    Summary: It all depends on you, the neck size, the adjustment, the resonance & sustain and 10 other factors. I have bonded with certain models to the point of considering purchase, come back the next day and completely reversed myself. So my research comes to the conclusion that regardless of age, it's all voodoo. When you find the right guitar, surrender.
    post edited by Middleman - 2012/10/04 17:37:31

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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/04 19:38:41 (permalink)
    There's a lot more "trash" out there these days that looks like a guitar. The price on a real properly engineeered with the right density of woods and proper electronics guitar, has gone up considerably. Tone woods are called tone woods for a reason.

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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/05 02:42:49 (permalink)
    In keyboards field the only thing that has changed in a good way is the weight and storage option like USB/HD instead of floppy drive ect. Although still 88 keyboards with good action are way too heavy.  The sound except the acoustic instruments (especially pianos which have improved significantly) went downhill due to abandoning true analogue technology mass production.
    post edited by offnote - 2012/10/05 02:45:00
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    Re:do you prefer older or younger? 2012/10/05 14:07:57 (permalink)
    A player is a player regardless of age or origin.................


    When buying or even looking at used guitars I tend to be very critical and thorough,seldomly buying on  a whim...........

    It has been my experience when buying used  guitars there's a good chance you are looking at some else's problem.
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