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2012/10/05 11:44:50 (permalink)

I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser...

Is this the right place to ask?

If it is, has anyone got any recommendations for a decent graphic equaliser? I'm not so much bothered about free ones. And I'd like one that had around 28 to 32 bands from 5hz to 20khz.

I found something called AQ-31 and I downloaded the demo, but I thought the interface was too small in the vertical for my liking, and I think it was only 32bit. Also, to get it working in X2 I had to run it as admin and I'm not doing that every time.


Okay peeps, thanks

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/05 15:47:46 (permalink)
    There a lot of graphic equalizer plugins out there, including plenty of free ones (example, more examples). Voxengo offers one, and based on experience with other Voxengo products is probably a good one.

    But the obvious question is: why? What possible role could a graphic equalizer play in a recording studio that wouldn't be better addressed by even the most basic parametric equalizer? 
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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/06 04:27:28 (permalink)
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    But the obvious question is: why? What possible role could a graphic equalizer play in a recording studio that wouldn't be better addressed by even the most basic parametric equalizer? 

    Hi Dave, I've always, well, not so much struggled, but let's say frustrated with the way some of the parametric eq's function. I found it quicker to dial in the right curve with a graphic eq instead of messing around with a five/six band para eq. The curves don't seem to go where I want them to.


    I'm still persevering with the para eq, and mainly the PC quad curve, but it I know I want to completely cut everything from say 10hz to 50hz, I can do that in seconds with a graphic eq.




    At the end of the day I suppose the main issue is one of training, and perhaps my reduced ability to learn nowadays. Old dog, new tricks and all that.


    I had a look at the LP64 EQ last night but the look ahead feature of that EQ means it is best used as a mastering EQ rather than in a live situation. But I found it easier to use than some of the others.


    Perhaps I need to trawl the internet for some tricks and tips for parametric eq's

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/06 09:40:45 (permalink)
    Check out Nomad's Magma..   Its got a few graphic eq's in there, and a whole bunch of other stuff.   Its great, "value," and excellent flexibility..   Toys, toys, toys!!

    It has so many things..  Graphic eq's, and verb, and phase, and it works like an FX chain

    http://www.nomadfactory.c...ducts/magma/index.html


    Its on my shopping list!  I will pick it up sometime in 2013..   right now all my extra cash is in marketing my music

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/06 11:28:17 (permalink)
    synkrotron, you've hit upon the very reason graphic equalizers exist: they're fast. You need that in a live situation, where you don't have the luxury of tweaking stuff just so. When somebody's mic is feeding back, you can quickly grab a couple faders on the GEQ and usually guess right.

    But in the studio, you usually want greater precision for correction, mixing and sound design. The GEQ's bands almost never center on the right frequencies for any kind of surgical EQ or spectral balancing.

    You're right in assuming the LP64 is best used for mastering. For individual tracks, explore the Sonitus EQ. It's actually quite capable, even if it lacks some of the bells & whistles of more recent products. (If you want your mind blown with the potential of what an advanced equalizer can do, go to the FabFilter site and watch Dan Worrall's Pro-Q videos.)


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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/07 05:24:40 (permalink)
    Thanks for the Nomad Factory link LP, I had a look at that and there sure are plenty of toys there to make a nice big hole in your savings.

    Dave, for sure, I am giving away my bedroom musician roots here.

    I checked out the Dan Worral Pro-Q video and that was probably the best I've seen on EQ'ing. And it was a very good ad for the Pro-Q product and I'm sorely tempted to invest. I like the fact that you can preview a pre and post frequency analysis in the same tool rather that relying on a separate plug-in.

    Thanks again for all your help. I think you've done a great job of realising my folly of looking to a GEC instead of getting to grips with the right tool for the job.

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/07 13:37:05 (permalink)
    If you decide to spring for Pro-Q, shoot me a PM with your email address first. I'll send you a referral email that will get you 10% off.

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/07 14:35:57 (permalink)
    Thanks for that offer Dave. I'll need to leave any more paypal purchases until November now, but I will certainly consider it then. And I spotted their take on a synth, Twin 2. Quite a nice looking interface and plenty of mod routing options. So I may go for both.

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/07 22:40:10 (permalink)

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/08 02:17:14 (permalink)
    Thanks for the Blue Cat Audio link Dave. I'll have a look at that.

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/08 10:04:00 (permalink)
    Normally I use a PSP parametric EQ on tracks ... I find it very intuitive.  It is the PSP Neon HR and comes in 3 flavor:

    http://pspaudioware.com/plugins/equalizers/psp_neon_hr/

    But, I've used the Blue Cat Liny EQ and really liked it.  Here is an example (and a shameless plug):

    http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=7577278&q=hi&newref=1

    During the breakdown of the verse that starts just after 1:30, I used the Liny (graphic) EQ to give the vocal a little bit of a megaphone effect.  I liked it more than the EQ in the Voxengo Voxformer which is also on the track, the PSP and some of the other parametrics I tried.
     
    [EDIT] ... actually, I was shooting for a bit of a speaker in the front dash effect.
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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/08 15:40:03 (permalink)
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    If you decide to spring for Pro-Q, shoot me a PM with your email address first. I'll send you a referral email that will get you 10% off.

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    Does that 10% off work on top of say like a 25% discount @holiday season?
     
    I'm thinking of the Pro bundle but want to wait until they have a sale say @ christmas time and if I could get an additioanl 10% off then I like to do so.
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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/08 17:05:41 (permalink)
    I don't remember if that applies on top of a sale price or not. I'm thinking that it doesn't, but I could be wrong about that. 

    If that is the case, then you're better off waiting for the Christmas sale (assuming they'll be doing it again this year) to buy a bundle. Individual plugins, however, haven't been included in most previous sales - just bundles - so the referral has been the only way to get a break on individual plugins.


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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/09 07:23:16 (permalink)
     What about the Toneboosters Eq - what I like about it(apart from the price) is that it has a built in spectrum analyzer so that you can see how your tweaking is affecting the frequencies......its similar to the pro-q eq.....I wouldn't mind knowing how this plugin compares to the fabfilter pro-q....anyone??
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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/09 10:48:38 (permalink)
    The TB EQ is a great bargain. It probably offers 80% of the functionality of Pro-Q for 20% of the price. What you don't get are Mid/Side processing, oversampling, unlimited number of filters, K-metering, +-30db gain, pre/post/pre+post spectrum options, and linear-phase modes.


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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/09 11:13:31 (permalink)
     Hi Andy, "OK Peeps"...I must be a peep cause I sure ain't the head pecker lol.......anyways just my .002 here. Last night I needed a decent EQ on a mix  and I decided to try the new RX in X2. I really like the way it works! Instead of thinking in terms of frequency numbers and "slots" I was able to make a really good surgical EQ with it. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with a GEQ but the RX sure fits well into my EQ toolbox.

     I had an electric guitar that had a little bit of fizz and digital distortion. The RX took it right out.

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/09 14:09:49 (permalink)
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    What you don't get are Mid/Side processing, oversampling, unlimited number of filters, K-metering, +-30db gain, pre/post/pre+post spectrum options, and linear-phase modes.

    Out of the above, I would miss the Mid/Side processing for sure and I was impressed at the way it was used in the tutorial video I watched.


    So if I had to choose, I would have to go for the more expensive option methinks.




    @ Starise - Yeah, I've been having a bit of a play with R-Mix myself (erm... is that what you mean when you say RX?) so I know where you're coming from. I think the main problem with it though is that with just one instance of it you can only work with a rectangular of oval shape to work on the frequencies. Whereas with an EQ, of what ever type, you can cut and bust differently right across the spectrum. Still a great tool though and I'm sure I will use it one day.

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    Re:I fancy getting a decent Graphic Equaliser... 2012/10/11 12:29:24 (permalink)
     Ya R-Mix sorry for the typo. Seems to work great on isolation of certain frequencies.

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