Strange MIDI track behavior - Virus TI

Hi - I do not have the same midi keyboard as you, but tried to replicate your test using a Yamaha keyboard.

I inserted 2 midi tracks and recorded two different tracks of midi data, with the output of each track going back to the Yamaha keyboard.

I did not experience the same issues as you did when I tried soloing each track - did each one in different order, then had both selected.

In all cases, sound played back as expected:

1.  Neither track soloed played back both sets of midi data
2.  Track 1 soloed played back just track 1's data
3. Track 2 soloed played back just track 2's data.
4.  Soloing both tracks played back both track 1 and track 2's data - just like having neither track soloed did

In the above, I did NOT have instrument tracks - I have never used those - I just inserted 2 midi tracks.

Please forgive my ignorance here - I understand the TI to be a physical keyboard - how would I create a Simple Instrument track for this device?  It is my understanding that a Simple Instrument track can be created through inserting a soft synth, as a result of having the box checked in the insert soft synth options dialog box, and that a simple instrument track is a merged track with both audio and midi being stored in the same track.

If my understanding is correct, then how would I be able to create a simple instrument track for my Yamaha keyboard?  If you can explain this to me, I would be happy to try and test this all out using my Yamaha keyboard.

Bob Bone

I add an instrument track for my TI and set it up for bank 1

Do you mean MIDI track here? You can't add an Instrument track without a softsynth. 


I tried it. I agree you must have Dim Solo on. 

js516


The TI and TI2 use a VSTi for controlling the synth. So in effect its set up like a soft synth.

http://virus.info/page/render/lang/en/p/59/do/Total_Integration_rtas_vst_au_plug_in.html

Thanks for the response. I've been using my Polar for years, so I'm pretty well versed in how it operates. The TI plugin can virtualize 16 different instruments. The problem I'm having is that after configuring the first instrument track, if I setup an additional MIDI track and point it to the 2nd voice of the TI plugin I can't solo the 2nd track independently of the instrument track.

I had no issues with it either, repeating my test using a soft synth and 2 instrument tracks.

Even if it is inefficient for memory usage, what happens if you use a 2nd instance of your TI vsti?

Bob Bone

Thanks for 'splainin - I'm out of ideas, sorry.

Bob Bone

 
I think I figured it out. With a multi-instrument like the TI I need to avoid using it with instrument tracks entirely. I reworked my project to have a stand-alone TI synth and multiple MIDI tracks feeding into it, one for each voice of the plugin. That seems to be working fine now. I can mute and solo the tracks independently.
 
Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions.

jyoung


Sonar X2 64, W7 x64, Virus TI Polar
 
I add an instrument track for my TI and set it up for bank 1. I can record, playback, everything is fine. I add another MIDI track and set it up for bank 2 of the TI, select a patch, record, playback, all is good. Now when I go to solo the second track the first track gets soloed also. I can solo the first track, but the second one by itself. It's like the second track has some kind of linked relationship with the initial instrument track. Any suggestions as to how I can solo each track independently?

Setup your Virus instance using "midi source, synth track folder, all synth audio outs, display automation on midi source.
When virus has instantiated, insert additional midi tracks, move them to the virus folder and direct their outputs to the plug-in channels.
 
There are no issues in solo'ing individual tracks in the Virus Ti... just make sure you solo the midi tracks, not the audio tracks.. if you have 4 patches assigned to stereo outs 1 and you solo the audio track, you will of course hear all four patches.
 
regards

jyoung

There are no issues in solo'ing individual tracks in the Virus Ti... just make sure you solo the midi tracks, not the audio tracks.. if you have 4 patches assigned to stereo outs 1 and you solo the audio track, you will of course hear all four patches.

 
Thanks for the reply. That confirms the setup that I'm  now using for the TI.
 
Now if someone can tell me how to stop Sonar from sending bank resets to my TI every time I start play

 
Are you saying you can now solo tracks at will..ie your original question is resolved?..
 
with regards to bank resets..please identify exactly what you mean .. "bank" is usually in reference to patches and they are selected in VC..  however the best place to start is by assuming you are doing something wrong.. its what i do and sadly i am right 90%+ of the time!..lol.. but fwiw Sonar doesnt do these things by itself :)
 
Whether I use a project template that includes virus + maschine or a saved track template for the virus with a default patch, or simply instantiate the virus into a current project i see no such activity occurring.. so I would look at the midi event view, and your midi oriented options, and see what you are sending to the virus..