Ver 2 : What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813

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Ver 2 : What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813

Posted a Ver 2 last night after reworking the balances a little bit.  I also decided that the EZDrummer groove needed some variation so I slipped in a different beat rhythm in the chorus parts.  

Here's a draft of a new song I recorded this weekend, it's for a Children's Songs CD that I am putting together.  I wrote most of the material between 2004-2008 but never got it  recorded, so I'm finally getting around to it.   I have a few things to tweek yet but I wanted to get a mix together and put something out there.  My SoundClick is at the below link and this song is at the top of the list.   Your comments welcome.   

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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 10:10:13 (permalink)
    That's lovely John... outstanding vocal... well done... 
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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 10:11:57 (permalink)
    John, this sounds good.  I know a lot of parents and kids that would like this.  You have a good voice for this.  Nice job.

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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 13:09:55 (permalink)
    Nice song..... well written. 

    I'd make the vox a bit crisper  or perhaps a bit louder in a few places so it sets on top of the music..... so the kids can hear it and learn it quickly. 

    I like what you're doing there..... 

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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 13:21:15 (permalink)
    Thanks John. This sounds very good already.

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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 13:22:45 (permalink)
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    Nice song..... well written. 

    I'd make the vox a bit crisper  or perhaps a bit louder in a few places so it sets on top of the music..... so the kids can hear it and learn it quickly. 

    I like what you're doing there..... 

    Herb:   many thanks for giving a listen!  In fact, the last two I've recorded I've tried to take much of your own advice, on starting with the rhythms and even did some partial quantizing to help keep the MIDI guitar and drums on beat; also I kept Vox to mono and single track only, brought it up with normalize to -1.0 db.  In fact though, I've had to ease back on the vox in the mix lately as I find that my soft singing style makes it darned hard to get clearly understood at times while not being too hot overtop the rest.  So I'm still working on that....   I also use busses extensively now and get those FX out of the tracks, that's been helping as well as some EQ effort.   I'm afraid one of my next study areas may need to be compressors and gates  LOL    but I'm trying to still keep it simple.    Thanks for the tips, as always!   


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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 13:26:23 (permalink)
    Frank, Lynn, Matt:   thanks very much and I really appreciate you taking the time to listen and comment!   I'm having a lot of fun with the material I have written for this children's CD, and I'll enjoy posting more on here soon as I get further along.  Funny that regardless of the type of song, there are new things I'm picking up in Sonar X-1 every time I record and it's sure been a blast!   Thanks again!    
    ~ John  

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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 13:29:41 (permalink)
    Hi John, for those particular spots where a vocal needs a bit of crispness or to have the edge taken off a bit, but where an overall level adjustment isn't effective, i sometimes automate the vocal's eq accordingly at just those places. It's effective and subtle. HTH.

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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 13:32:20 (permalink)
    cool man.... you shouldn't need gates unless you have something really noisy. 

    Yeah... that soft singing style..... lots of singers have careers based on it ......   but as you say, with kids especially, it is important to have them be able to understand words clearly. 

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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 13:36:33 (permalink)
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    Hi John, for those particular spots where a vocal needs a bit of crispness or to have the edge taken off a bit, but where an overall level adjustment isn't effective, i sometimes automate the vocal's eq accordingly at just those places. It's effective and subtle. HTH.

    Matt this is something I've been trying to look into - I have sometimes recently made use of some clip automation such as pan and volume envelopes, but are you saying that I can select just a portion of a vox track (a phrase, for instance) and just adjust EQ on that portion?   Can you point me to any help on that?     I have also used a "Select" and "Process/Gain"  to raise or lower a phrase or a word's volume, but I kinda dislike that means of permanently "processing" and altering the "raw track" in case I want to do something else later.  Do you guys make use of selective adjustments like that and do you keep backups of original, unedited (raw) tracks then?  

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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/09 15:31:54 (permalink)
    John, automating the eq is pretty straight forward, open the eq you want and click the "W" at the top right, then whatever knob you click and drag during playback will be automated. Just remember to unclick the Write button. EDIT for clarity. HTH.
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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/10 08:52:00 (permalink)
    Listened again this morning.... try pulling the mids and low mids out of the vocal track a bit.... that will thin it out a bit....I'm hearing a middy... boxy sound which tends to make the voice too fat and hard to listen to. Also drop the EQ curve off below 80 on the voice...there's nothing down there you need. 

    The EQ in the mid range should be flat or perhaps a slight dip in the 100 to 400 range... and the highs maybe flat to a slight raise a db or so, and drop off steeply past 8k.....  

    You'll need to play around to get it right...... but try that and see if that vocal track doesn't clean up real nice.

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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/10 09:13:09 (permalink)
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    Listened again this morning.... try pulling the mids and low mids out of the vocal track a bit.... that will thin it out a bit....I'm hearing a middy... boxy sound which tends to make the voice too fat and hard to listen to. Also drop the EQ curve off below 80 on the voice...there's nothing down there you need. 

    The EQ in the mid range should be flat or perhaps a slight dip in the 100 to 400 range... and the highs maybe flat to a slight raise a db or so, and drop off steeply past 8k.....  

    You'll need to play around to get it right...... but try that and see if that vocal track doesn't clean up real nice.

    Herb thanks, and I got your PM as well.  I want to say up front here that I have had this EQ advice elsewhere and frankly, my skillset on EQ is just not there.  I have upgraded several times, between MC4/MC5, Sonar 8.5.3, now to X-1 PE,  but aside from pulling up for example, X-1's beautiful Vintage EQ_64 tool, and selecting one of a couple nice default settings, I can not understand EQ further.    I'll try to explain specifically:  when I'm told to "drop a EQ curve" or "dip in 100-400 range" I am not able to understand WHAT exactly to DO in the EQ tools that I have (the ones that come with Sonar).  I do not have any of the Ozone pkgs, no, but I know that I need to grab a good EQ tutorial and get a handle on this.  I do understand the theory part - that it's all about freqs and that the male voice collides with freqs in midrange and bass from other instruments, making things muddy, and that when you "roll off" or  "cut a notch" in somewhere, it allows them all to co-exist nicely.... I grasp the terminology fairly OK, but when I try to implement, I don't understand exactly where to place the freq cutoff lines at,  to do the job properly.   I don't want to ramble on here as this probably is better for the "Techniques" forum.  I will carry this off to you in PMs, but I wanted to thank you very much for this help and in pointing me in the direction I need to learn next.  All good!          -John


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    Re:What's Up In The Sky? by John/JD1813 2012/10/10 10:22:42 (permalink)
    keep creating!

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