Se electronics the egg?

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2012/10/17 01:51:52 (permalink)

Se electronics the egg?

I'm auditioning a bunch of new monitors over the next week or so.

So far the candidates are:

Focal Solo 6 BE
Adam A8X
Genelec 8040A

The guy att the store said I should also check out Se electronics "The Egg"

Anyone had any experiences with "The Egg" ? Worth wasting time on testing?

The store is about an hour away back and forth so I'd rather not test anything that's not up to snuff.

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    Bristol_Jonesey
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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/17 04:49:12 (permalink)
    Depends on your budget - they're not cheap, but they got a good review from SOS

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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/17 05:12:11 (permalink)
    All the candidates I narrowed it down to are about the same price range give or take 100 bucks, well the Focals are a bit more expensive putting them into the same price as the eggs, but I had to include the focals because I read a lot of people giving them high points even over the Genelecs, but only listening to my reference tracks at home will tell I guess.

      The only data I could dig up about the eggs were from people selling or making them and I never trust that and many review sites dont give bad things a proper trashing lest they won't get any more review units, I'll go read the sos review, thanks. 

    Still interested in hearing from people that have them.

    Wish we had more stores over here, driving back and forth and hour each way with horrendous parking and walking for 15 minutes with huge boxes is gonna be murder 
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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/20 03:47:22 (permalink)
    Currently testing the Focal Solo 6 BE.

    Amazing low end from a 6.5 inch bass unit, very controlled.

    Great transients and stereo image.

    Testing this pair over the weekend, genelec 8040A up next, still very curious to hear how the eggs hold up, It's an interesting concept at least.

    I ruled out the Adam A8X, sounds more like a hifi speaker to me.

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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/20 09:30:48 (permalink)
    SE Electronics' products are always interesting IMO. There's a lot of innovation going on there, and I would certainly give the Eggs a try if I had the opportunity!

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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/20 11:19:16 (permalink)
    Haven't heard the eggs. My instinct is to be dubious of expensive gear that looks stylish - I think of it as the Bang & Olufsen Effect. How much of the price is the cost of looking cool? Still, the design concept seems sound.

    Of the manufacturers listed, I liked the sound of the Focals best. I sat down at their booth at NAMM just because my feet hurt from walking, but ended up staying for half an hour just to listen to those luscious-sounding speakers. The questions I have are twofold: first, are they luscious enough to justify the price, and second, is luscious really what you're after in a reference monitor?

    Genelecs, bleh. Overpriced, IMO, at least in this country. When I bought my ADAMs I A/B'd them against comparable Genelecs and found the ADAMs to have better detail at a lower price. (Still, aren't Genelecs manufactured in Denmark? That might be a factor, if nothing else at least in reduced shipping charges!)

    ADAM has experienced some manufacturing problems over the years, resulting in blown amplifiers and tweeters, and noisy amps out of the box. I did not experience this myself, and suspect it's a result of them outsourcing their lower-end products to China. It may not be a concern in their German-made products. OTOH, it may have something to do with the recent retirement of their principle engineer.


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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/20 11:56:13 (permalink)
    Funny you should mention that about the look, because that was what caused me to skip over them in the first place, looked to much like some fancy "multimedia" speakers, but the guy at the store had a lot of good things to say about them, they have always been pretty honest about what they sell if asked. I've found a few engineering video's about the eggs and it all sounds interesting, can't hurt to give them a listen.

    Genelecs are Finnish, still pretty close to Denmark though, I'm aware that there's a lot of hype about them, it's why I was adamant about being able to take all of them home to listen to them if I'm laying down that kind of cash.

    The Focals do sound very luscious, but I'm still gonna keep my NS-10s, one of the reasons I was looking at new speakers was that I got fatigued easily just having the NS-10s, they are anything but "luscious".

    In preparation for listening tests, I've also made a small neutral project that I'm mixing from scratch on each set, then doing some translation tests on a few other systems along with some reference tracks I know pretty well, exciting to see which one wins out.

    If looks were anything, the Focals would win, they are gorgeous.

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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/26 12:39:29 (permalink)
    Done testing monitors, Focals won out no question.

    Getting new monitors prompted me to get my room acoustics fixed, I thought it was a shame having them and then ruin most of it by an untreated room.

    Got first reflections under control with some Primacoustic foam, built a couple large broadband/lowband absorbers for bass response using rockwools most dense "terrain" bats (90kg/m3) and a cloud above my listening position using "a" bats, room sounds SO much better now, not dead, just very controlled.

    I built the broadband absorbers on wheels so I can move them for a nice vocal/percussion booth.

    Building these things was surprisingly easy, I used Ikea "Kilby" bookshelfs for the frame (Cheaper than buying the wood and making the frame myself) took only about an hour or so, pr piece. Already had a bunch of cotton fabric for covering them.

    Should have gotten this room treated a long time ago, it's uncanny how much of a difference this made, even listening to my NS10s

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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/26 19:52:42 (permalink)
    Woo hoo! Sonic nirvana! I am happy for ya, Kenneth, even if a little bit jealous.

    Don't be dismayed if you actually have some difficulty with translatable mixes at first. It's normal to have to retrain your ears after putting in new speakers or acoustical treatments.

    The good news is all you have to do is load up some favorite music, kick back and listen for a few hours. It won't take your brain very long to readjust to what a good recording is supposed to sound like in the new environment.


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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/26 20:22:31 (permalink)
    The smartest thing you have done is to keep the NS10's. The ideal combination is a pair of nice monitors and NS10's.  Your mix will translate very well as long as you check it continually on the NS10's. The idea is you get you mix sounding great on your normal speakers and then switch over and have a good listen again. You will want to make a few adjustments to get the NS10's sounding good. Then when you go back you will find the other speakers are also sounding still OK which now means you have satisfied both instead of one set of speakers.

    Make sure you make the NS10's a regular check operation when mixing.

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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/27 02:32:59 (permalink)
    Thanks Bit.

    I almost immediately heard things in my reference tracks that I've never heard before with such clarity, even with the new focals before I got the treatment in place. Kick drums for example, before there was nice definition to the bass, but it was mostly the kick transient and the bass, now I can actually hear what kind of beater used, the quality of the kick, some have a woody quality to the bass that was covered up by my room adding extra bass before. Reverb tails also stands out much more in dense tracks. It was the large broadband absorbers that really made a difference for the low end.

    One of my favorite reference albums is "Jazz at the pawnshop" (yeah metal guy liking jazz, how about that hehe), it's like sitting in that club now.

    @Jeff, no worries I'll keep the NS10s, they are so brutal for checking mixes on,they basically have all the problems that one needs to worry about, not much low end, brutal midrange and doesn't go very high. Sometimes I also work at friends that have a set, so it's nice to have something familiar to check mixes on.

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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/27 06:38:31 (permalink)
    Congratulations! I'm officially full of envy!

    So did you try The Egg? Your impressions?





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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/27 09:01:19 (permalink)


    I've always wanted to find the time to make a sub woofer out of a 6 foot diameter sphere.



    So the Egg fascinates me. It's so cool to see that yesterdays cool ideas can be implemented today and sold at competitive prices.


    Congrats on your new Focals... I'm envious. :-)


    best regards,
    mike



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    Re:Se electronics the egg? 2012/10/27 09:12:44 (permalink)
      Heard it in the shop, enough to know it wasn't my thing even though the room wasn't ideal. Nothing bad, just hmm.. a bit sterile is the only word I can come up with, and I have my NS10s for that. 

    Also upon further reading there's a few things that put me off. They are matched pairs with special cabling, that makes me nervous, can't replace speaker units in case something bad happens, have to send everything in and get new matched pairs.

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