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Freeze synth - mixdown audio
Hi again - am getting to grips with MC6 afetr years of Cakewlak PA 9 and a messing about with the earluy Sonar products. Can anyone advise me on one or more of the following/ 1) Freeze/unfreeze synth - what does this really mean? 2) How do I attribute a TTS 1 instrument to a midi track? Example - I loaded a midi file into MC6 - and i wanted to change the guitar sound to something on the TTS1. However when i laiunch this synth i only get the choice of steel guitar - I cannot seem to change it. 3) When I click the freeze synth button (the snowflake icon) it mixes down the audio for that track into a new audio track. This is fantastic as I didnt know how to do this prior to finding it outt accidentally. However i did not have any control as to how the resultant audio track would sound it simply mixed it down straight away. The track it mixed it to was the TTS1 track. If I was to assign another intstrument to the TTS1 would it have been mixed down too? 4) Can i mixdown any midi track to audio with this method as it doesnt seem to allow me to do so? Thanks in advance.
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Brandon de Ashe
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/20 05:51:30
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Another issue with the TTS1. When I attempt to assign a midi track to it - the TTS1 does not play the exact same notation as the original midi track. I was trying to get a better steel guitar sound, assigned the TTS1 to my midi track and it seems to miss out a few notes as well as playing the track slightly out of time. When i go to inspect it in piano roll view i find that i have to actually phyiscally select the teack i want to view in piano roll as opposed to the view representing the track i currently have highlighted. Anyone come across this and can ecplain why this should be so? i.e. I am looking at a set the controllers for track 9 for example but viewing the piano roll for say track 3. In the same screenshot. Maybe it is somethign i am not doing right but it is baffling. Thanks
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/20 09:22:39
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1. freezing renders the midi synth output from synth to a wave file and shuts off the synth, this is temporary and can be unfrozen at any time and return to the synth/midi 2.   www.herbhartley.com go to the music page and read the tutorial I put up there on TTS it might help you understand this...... if not ask specific questions and I'll try to answer them. 3/4.... Freeze mixes to a WHAT YOU HEAR type format. TTS is capable of 16 midi tracks so freezing it will freeze all the midi tracks ... i don't know if you can freeze just one midi track. You would need to insert one instance of TTS per track you want to freeze. Many synths are one instrument per instance... freezing works well with them. next post.....tts has a master tune function so you can set it to A-440. there are better synths than TTS for sounds. especially stuff like steel and other obscure things. I don't use PRV much but selecting the track is required...it can not read your mind. add: I did learn something about PRV the other day.... it is possible to have PRV open and on the right side to be able to view the various synth/midi channels and to be able to work on multiple midi tracks by simply clicking on the needed right side synth or the PRV notes. I'd have to look to find the video where I learned that. Using this method makes it easy to work on several things at one time in the same window of PRV. Pretty cool stuff..... but I'd need to do it more to become proficient with it.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2012/10/20 10:29:07
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/20 10:48:51
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If you already have a track open in PRV, like track 3, and then you select track 9 and click the PRV icon, since the track 3 PRV is already open it will show the track 3 PRV. You have to close track 3's PRV, then select track 9's PRV. The 'wrong notes' and 'slightly out of time' are probably related to your sound card/audio interface's settings. What is you sound card or audio interface? What is your operating system and is it 64-bit? What Cakewalk program are you using? MC 2003? MC 3? MC 6? Putting this info in your profile signature will help us help you and we won't have to ask these questions every time you ask us a question.
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Brandon de Ashe
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/22 17:51:11
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Hi there sorry about the lack of info. Windows Vista 32 bit. Soundcard is unfortunately Realtec HD Music Creator 6. I am getting problems with softsynths using the soundcard and wonderd if there was an external device anyone could recommend?
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/22 19:32:25
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the realtec is not a good card and is likely the source of troubles you PM'd me about. Be sure you are using MME and set the buffers and latency correctly. If you are going to pursue recoding as a hobby, I would recommend that you look at getting a better USB based music interface since it will do a better job with everything.... midi especially. I ran on Vista 32 on this lappy for 3 years and it did a good job BUT... I also have a good external sound card. I have never been able to get this lappy sound card to do anything with MC. Personus, Focusrite, and M-Audio make some nice 2 channel externals all running ASIO drivers and USB connections...... any of them are good to use...... 2 channels is plenty with MC6 because it only allows 2 inputs at the same time.... if you need phantom power for a condenser mic be sure the interface supports that,,,and depending on how you need to get the midi data in to MC6, you might wish to have the 5 pin midi connector as well. hope this helps.
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Brandon de Ashe
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/23 13:06:49
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Does the externals you mention have their own midi banks incorporated within them i.e. GS etc. and can you verify they will play soundfonts as well as softsynths? Many thanks
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57Gregy
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/23 13:53:27
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Very few audio interfaces include sound fonts these days. Sound Blaster probably still has some, but we don't recommend SBs for serious audio recording. But all audio interfaces will play any audio sent to them, such as the audio from a soft synth's output or sound font player's output, as well from audio tracks.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/23 14:59:53
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Right. The Soundfont format was developed by E-MU for Creative's Soundblaster, and to the best of my knowledge,Soundblaster cards are the only ones that were ever able to play soundfonts natively. A lot has happened in the twenty years since sounfonts were developed. It is not necessary to load the soundfont files into the banks in the sound card synth, as this function is readily handled by today's VST soundfont players. That's where SFZ+ comes into the picture(mentioned in your other thread). The soundfont player/ softsytnh/sampler works within the framework of your DAW (in this case MC6),and does not directly relate to your soundcard/interface. The interfaces may have some additional features, but they all do the same thing. They handle AD/DA conversions of incoming and outgoing signals. MC6 handles the softsynths. To directly answer your question, a resounding no and no, but it doesn't matter because these functions are handled more efficiently through MC6. Does that make sense?
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Brandon de Ashe
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/23 18:40:02
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Yes it makes sense but does not explain why my soundcard at present is not handling soft synths very well. The card can handle multiple tracks of audio files but it is struggling with a few samples which is what makes it quite odd.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/23 21:39:41
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Audio is easy and straightforward stuff... no hard calculations needed..... a synth has to be processed differently. The factory cards simply can not handle the calculations needed to get the sound to the speakers in a reasonable time.....so you end up with skipped notes, latency, pops and clicks and even a complete shutdown of the processing engine. we all are using one brand or another of the external sound card/interfaces and really... if you want to do this right, there is no other way to get it done.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/24 19:24:02
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In other words, the stock sound card has inferior digital-to-audio converters.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/24 21:04:46
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57Gregy In other words, the stock sound card has inferior digital-to-audio converters. you said that so...eloquently
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/25 17:11:21
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/25 23:00:06
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I would not buy any audio interface that doesn't have true ASIO drivers. The io4 doesn't have them. On their Docs and Downloads page, the have a link for the ASIO4All driver, but that's not really ASIO, just a wrapper for the WDM driver, which is really weird since they include Steinberg's Cubase recording software and Steinberg created ASIO. But, many folks do get satisfactory performance with ASIO4All. It's just not for me. Avoid anything that says "plug and play". I would keep shopping.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/26 00:58:10
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I am inclined to agree. I have no experience with the iO4, but the lack of native ASIO drivers gives me pause. I've been considering the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 in that price range and it looks like a contender. You might also want to look at the Cakewalk/Roland UA1-G. It is lean on audio inputs, but it has ASIO drivers and may serve your needs. I'm happy with the Alesis gear I have, but I can't really get behind their interfaces.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/26 08:58:14
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Greg nailed it, as did Robert .... I also saw on the last page on the Alesis site that it has "optional asio4all drivers" .... NO.... do not purchase this interface. I am partial to the Focusrite product line because I have one and know how well it works. If you are using softsynths, that means you are working with MIDI. If your synth/keyboard has USB output you do not need to have a midi input on the interface, however, if the synth/keyboard is old school and has the 5 pin midi output you will be better served to find an interface which also supports midi in/out with the 5 pin connector. Look around and find something with the inputs and outputs you need and running native ASIO drivers. You will appreciate it. Consider the interface to be the heart of the studio. It should not be short changed.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/26 09:50:59
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Cheers guys certainly some good advice there. Would any of you consider the Zoom R24 to be good as an audio interface as it is something i am probably going to buy anyway and if it will double up then wahay:-) http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/r24
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/26 10:44:55
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Seriously... you can get what you want... and some of the things like the Zoom can be quite useful.... However, I prefer not to use a multi function device like this. It does 4 things. recorder, interface, controller and sampler. I may simply be "old school" but I like the interface to be simply "the interface". You have the ability to use more tracks internally in MC6 and keep everything inside the box. Ultimately, it is your choice and if the Zoom works for you then that's your option. For the money you would spend on the zoom, you can get a really nice dedicated interface with audio & midi and have some change left over.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/27 14:31:11
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The R-24 looks like a nice unit, but I couldn't find out anything about what driver modes it uses, not even on their pages. It may be a great recorder and sampler and drum machine, but I'm not sure it would be a great audio interface. All the reviews I read all seem to be talking about it's recording capabilities and audio effects, not how well it interacts with a DAW. And for $500 US, I'm pretty sure I could get all those things seperately and an audio interface known to work well with my operating system and has ASIO drivers. The audio interface is the most important part of computer recording, in my opinion. Get Focusrite. There, I said it.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/28 05:39:57
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There are ASIO drivers for Zoom products, AFAIK. At least I DL:d one for my ZoomH2. I've read several comments by happy R24 users, but it surely is much more complex to set up and use. So if you don't really need the extra features it offers, I'd recommend an "ordinary" USB-interface.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/28 08:31:51
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In looking at the website, I also thought I saw where the Zoom uses ASIO, but I still stand by my former post on multi-function devices.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/28 09:58:58
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There are ASIO drivers for Zoom products, AFAIK. At least I DL:d one for my ZoomH2. That's good to know.
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Brandon de Ashe
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/29 19:15:47
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Can anyone advise whether something like this Alesis mixer would be appropriate as an interface in MC6? There are no drivers and it does not make any reference to latency. Just wondered if anyone had considered somethign liek this before. http://www.alesis.com/spotmm8usbfx
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/29 21:19:21
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I personally do not recommend the Alesis USB mixers because they use the windows USB codec for drivers and do not have their own low latency drivers. if you want good advice on what kind of soundcard to get, check my website. I have a spreadsheet with a lot of choices.
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/30 07:43:28
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My advice..... again... quit messing with, and looking at the toys and the gimmicky stuff and get a serious pro quality audio/midi interface. You will not regret buying good quality gear, but you will regret buying a POC gimmicky toy. Ultimately, it's what you want, it's your choice.... so choose wisely, since you will have to work with it.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2012/10/30 07:44:56
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Re:Freeze synth - mixdown audio
2012/10/30 10:18:15
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