Ozz
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2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
I have been using an M-Audio Delta 1010 with a Mackie 1202 VlZ-Pro (just for preamps and monitoring) for several years (like a decade) I'm setting up a small setup in another room (probably non-pc based) and was going to purchase a 2nd mixer... Then I thought maybe it was time to upgrade the interface to something more modern that also includes pre's and other features I don't have with the 1010. (I've always liked the 1010...but, open to new things) I've always been a little leery of USB interfaces, but it seems that most people here seem to like them. I'm curious as to whether the Pre's in these units will be as good as the pre's in the Mackie. Also, compatibility with Sonar (I'm assuming the Roland should be fine....I'm using Sonar 8.5.3) Will the audio be any better than with the 1010? My absolute top end budget is around $700-$750. I've looked at a few, for example, The Focusrite scarlett 18i6, The Presonus 1818VSL, and the Roland Octa-capture. For ease of use, RELIABILITY and DURABILITY, and overall sound quality....what's the consensus? Stick with my current setup and buy a 2nd mixer, or retire the 1010 and get one of these? (or another one, if you have experience with one I missed) If so....which would be the most recommended? This will be for an at-home, non-mobile setup. Thank you for any and all opinions!
post edited by Ozz - 2012/10/22 19:19:29
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/10/22 22:19:23
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I recently asked a similar question because I want to replace my audio interface and get rid of the mixer - which I use as a patchbay - and Focusrite seemed to be a favorite. After doing a bit more research, I have to say that Focusrite is now on top of my list for the next audio interface.
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/10/23 06:51:10
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I have 2 interfaces from Focusrite and neither have ever let me down.
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/10/23 07:32:27
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Focusrite interfaces are know for their stellar preamps. When I first bought my Focusrite I had no clue about much of this stuff. Seems I simply made a fortunate purchase. I have no mixer board in my studio at all.... with the Focusrite, I don't need it. While my interface is a firewire interface, I would very likely consider a USB based interface if this gem ever quits on me. The USB interface/ports are now as fast if not faster than the firewire port. At the time I bought, FW was faster..... but that has changed.
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/10/23 10:29:34
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Personally, I'd go with the second-mixer idea for the maximum flexibility at the lowest cost. If I were to replace my current interface (MOTO 828MkII, 7 years and counting) I'd probably be more concerned with the number of line-level inputs and invest in a quality multi-channel preamp.
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/10/23 17:25:46
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Thanks for the responses... I'm still torn... I'm sure I would end up spending between $500-700 for the mixer (Yes, I could get a cheaper one, but it's just how I know I am...Was looking at models by Allen & Heath and Soundcraft) I have to admit..the Octa-capture has caught my eye...and the reviews I've found have been pretty good. I just need to ask if I'd be better off upgrading....I mean, the 1010 still works just fine....but I have to assume (dangerous, I know) that the hardware has probably improved quite a bit since I purchased it back around 2000 (possibly before...I can't quite remember) And it would also streamline my setup... One thing.....with these interfaces with built in pre's.....let's say I buy a decent pre down the road...can the built in pre's on these units be bypassed?
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/10/24 00:59:29
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You will have a hard time besting the sound quality of the delta 1010 with the choices you mentioned. I prefer a dedicated pre-amp versus using the ones from an interface. So if pre-amps are the driving factor, I would recommend a new mixer versus changing audio cards. I too have had the 1010 for a long time - 2000. The conversion quality is very good in comparison with some of the newer interfaces available.
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/11/14 08:54:28
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Well, after much deliberation....I have ordered a Roland OctaCapture. I got a good price on it, and it seems like a decent unit. I'll be nail biting until it arrives. ;) Maybe I can still use the Delta 1010 for something.... Plus, I can get a full version of Sonar Studio via a rebate....so...all in all, not a bad deal. Now I just need to decide on the monitors I want....I'm leaning heavily towards Yamaha's....not sure about the HS series or the MSP's....
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/11/14 10:00:39
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I use an old-school mixer set up and used to own the Delta 1010 - I loved it - but had to get rid of it because it wouldn't play nice with my new computer set up. I replaced it with a Focusrite Scarlett 18I6 and haven't looked back. The newer USB interfaces are excellent and very convenient to use. Whatever you decide to do - you have a lot of options available.
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/11/14 10:03:46
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Don't agonize over it, Ozz. You bought an excellent interface that you won't outgrow for a long, long time. There, don't you feel better already? Monitors, OTOH...now that's a whole 'nother can o' worms.
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/11/14 17:01:20
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Thanks Bit, I DO feel better (if a little poorer) ;) ..have you ever thought of going into psychiatry? ;) I've heard good things about the Roland...so I'm sure it'll be a pleasure. As far as monitors....you're right about the can o' worms... As I mentioned in another post, (where you also replied) that I don't have the option of listening to any, as the local music stores here do not carry anything as esoteric and unheard of as studio monitors. So, I guess in reality, it really doesn't matter what I get...I've been using a pair of repurposed Paradigm atoms for a couple years....and they just aren't that great for the purpose. I'm a little leery of Mackie stuff at the moment (not dissing the company...I own a few pieces of their gear from several years ago that I'm quite fond of) but have read less flattering reviews of late. Behringer just doesn't appeal to me...I've read so-so things on the KRK Rockits The Yamahas seem to do well in the reviews I've read....although their frequency response is using a -10db qualifier vs -3db, so their already modest low end might be even more modest You had suggested going with an 8" version of whatever brand (vs 5")....Unfortunately there's a $300 price differential between the HS50M and HS80M. Now, I see there's an MSP line that may be a bit better (and they're pricier...the MSP5 at about $550/pr and the MSP7 (6.5" driver) at about $800/pr) If anyone has any experience with any of these, I'd like to hear even more thoughts.
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/11/15 04:55:20
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The advantage of going for monitors with bigger drivers is that you won't need to fork out for a sub later on, saving you money in the long term. Though you do need a minimum size, and 8" is the preferred size to really hear that bottom octave.
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Ozz
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/11/15 12:32:07
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I guess I'm wondering if an 8" driver is typical for a near-field monitor... And will it make the bass seem "artificially" enhanced? Of course....I also don't know what order crossover these are, either. I'm fairly certain they wouldn't be a first order...They'd probably blow out a lot more tweeters if they were. Well...I'll probably wait until after Thanksgiving, anyway....so I have some time to do more exhaustive research ;) I really should just flip a coin.....I'll learn to deal with whatever I have... :)
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/11/16 05:51:49
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I wouldn't say an 8" driver would make the bass seem "artificially" enhanced at all. It's just reproducing what's already there but will be inaudible with a smaller driver
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/11/16 10:17:27
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I guess I'm wondering if an 8" driver is typical for a near-field monitor... And will it make the bass seem "artificially" enhanced? To accurately hear what's going on down below 100Hz, I'd want studio monitors with an 8" woofer. The HR824mkII are fine. The radio station where my girlfriend works just installed them in all their studio suites. I've been using HR824s for what must be 10+ years. Still work well...
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Ozz
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Re:2nd mixer or retire my aging interface?
2012/11/23 16:09:17
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Well, my Roland OctaCapture appeared a couple days ago, and I'm getting it set up and configured, while accustomizing myself to it.... So far, I like it...I'm sure I'll find some niggles and issues...but so far I like the features..It also installed without issue (win7 32 bit) The one feature I really like is the Auto-sens....I've really only tested it in a very minimal way at this point, but it's certainly a handy feature. Plus...I finally ordered the monitors I was deciding on! I went with the Yamaha HS80M's (They were also including a speaker stand and auralex pads with each..and they were on a special Black Friday sale...so all that for under $600 (including some also purchased TRS - XLR cables for their use)....So, hopefully I'll get them early to mid next week! I'll let you know what I think. Thanks for all the suggestions/advice!
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