Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2

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2012/10/23 10:56:34 (permalink)

Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2

Hi Guys, Had this working fine in 8.5, X2 reads that it's there, I have enabled it and set it up in control surfaces, and it even displays the correct tracks on it's screen. But the controller won't adjust anything back into the DAW, won't change volume or any other settings. If I move around the tracks using the mouse then the motorized fader will move ok, it just won't send anything back. I'm running X2 build 306, with a Liquid Saffire 56, Windows 7 SP1, I've also checked frontiers website and have the latest driver they did for this back in 2009. Thanks for any help, Martin
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    fooman
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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2012/10/23 11:49:52 (permalink)
    Ah this rings true for me because when I installed X2 I also had an issue with my Alphatrack.

    I'd see that it was recognized and the track indicator colours were there, but I couldn't actually use it.

    You will want to hit me, but I truly don't remember when exactly I did. I was kind of rushing to get it going because I hate wasting time troubleshooting, but of course make sure you've done a restart after installing X2.

    Also, make sure that both the Midi in and out in the controller settings dialog are set correctly.

    I am sorry, but feel better knowing that you aren't the only one who had to deal with this. I'm sure someone else will help much better than I!
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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2012/10/23 15:03:17 (permalink)
    works fine for me. enable midi. apply changes. set in and out on controller. apply 
    post edited by gswitz - 2012/10/23 20:45:53
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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2012/10/23 16:05:35 (permalink)
    gswitz


    works fine for me. enable midi. apply changes. set in and out oncontrollwe . apply 


    +1 works fine for me as well

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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2012/10/23 16:31:53 (permalink)
    It's working fine here with X2 Essential, 32-bit. 

    I only have a few qualms with AlphaTrack...

    1 - When switching from bus to track, the last track selected isn't highlighted until you actually rotate the knob for track selection. or press a the track selection button.  However, all Alphatrack functions (knobs, fader..) do act on that track. This is a minor annoy - most likely an Alphatrack driver issue.

    2 - No way to access bus pre-fade trim and pan, only post-fade pan.

    3 - Values for trim and pan never arrive at true zero as seen in console. (it's using floating point internally..)

    All of these are likely issues within the Alphatrack Sonar driver itself. I've built the control surface SDK sample to have a look see around, and it's a do-able job to writer a custom driver for AlphaTrack if I *really* feel like I want to. (I'm a SW Engineer..) The Alphatrack documentation is pretty straightforward.

    Seems like Frontier Design is on hiatus or something, several of their products are no longer available from the biggies like zZounds or Sweetwater. (Heh, I noticed B&H closing out on X1-E at $49 - great deal especially with the upgrade to X2...)
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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2012/10/23 21:05:16 (permalink)
    When I double click the pan pot, it sets pan to 0.

    I can control anything by
    Utilities > Alpha Track (bottom)
    Plugin mode > Cakewalk Act

    EQ Stuff is all broken.

    (Btw, you can use different settings for different processes... like one for PRV and one for mixing... one for recording where all the function keys do job appropriate actions.)

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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2012/10/24 08:06:30 (permalink)
    I know this from X1 : You have to follow the advice which is mentioned in 64bit driver installer of Alphatrack /TranzPort. I quote from the FrontierDesign Forum: >>>(ISSUE SOLVED) !!!!!!!!!!!!!! The trick is to follow the download instructions for Windows 7 64bit and install the sonar plug in, Then download the 32bit plugin and follow the read me instructions for the 32bit plugin with one exception!!!!!!!! the instructions mention renaming the file Alphatrack64.dll and then doing a reg edit witch always failed. So I renamed the file AlphaTrack64 minus the .dll and it worked. And now my AlphaTrack works like it is supposed to!!!!! yey! <<<< Since I've done that, too, Alphatrack and TranzPort work flawlessly together on my 64bit machine, no matter wether it's X1 or X2. HTH Michael

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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2012/10/24 13:10:13 (permalink)
    When I double click the pan pot, it sets pan to 0. 
    Well, of course, but that kind of defeats the purpose using the Alphatrack surface to set it to 0, no?

    Not sure about the EQ. I'm using X2 Essential, so the EQ defaults to the Sonitnus EQ. Alphatrack can turn on/off, set slope mode, set the Freq, Gain, and Q for the first four EQ points (points 5 and 6 do not appear to be accessible through the Alphatrack). Dragging the curves around on the track's EQ display also modifies them as well and the updated values display on the Alphatrack as well.
    However, I'm guessing that those with Producer have busted EQ functionality with the Alphatrack. (Maybe because original cakewalk driver produced by Frontier preceded Sonar X1 and the ProChan changes default Sonar EQ behavior?)
    All of this is fixable - it's just a lot of work to do a driver from scratch, even if you have the SDK. I'd love to have Frontier's source, it be a snap to fix things up.

    post edited by SuperG - 2012/10/24 13:43:00
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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2012/10/24 13:22:39 (permalink)
      when I double click the alpha track Pan pots, it sets the value to zero. 
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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2012/10/24 13:46:46 (permalink)
    Indeed. 

    I hadn't noticed that before. 

    It works well, thanks!
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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2013/07/10 15:51:12 (permalink)
    I'm reviving this thread to see if the OP got this fixed (or if anyone has any further suggestions). I'm having the exact same problem. Seems like only one way communication (although when I move the fader there is output midi communication). This is on a new install of X2a Prod x64. on new hardware (Win7 Pro x64). I have tried most of the "tricks" to get it installed that I have found on the net with no progress. I know this product and drivers are not made/supported any longer but would really like to try to get this to work and I know some folks here have gotten it to work.
     
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    Thanks -Jim  
    post edited by jimo - 2013/07/10 16:05:40
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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2013/07/10 17:08:27 (permalink)
    It's working ok.
     
    You can check to see if it's working (sending) by opening it using the midi Midi-OX tool. You an Google Midi-OX to download the tool. Also, make sure that the Alphatrack driver is set to normal.

    laudem Deo
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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2013/07/10 18:17:29 (permalink)
    Thanks SuperG I did see that on another post and it is sending. Can you explain how to check if the driver is set to normal I'm not sure how to do that. Does it have to do with the AlphaTrack.dll?

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    Re:Frontier Alphatrack not working in X2 2013/07/11 00:10:22 (permalink)
    Yes. Click on the Alphatrack icon on the notifications area of the Windows taskbar. If it's not showing, right-click to bring up the windows notification dialog.
     

    laudem Deo
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