(Kind of Solved) X1 Dropout Problem

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2012/10/25 08:57:35 (permalink)

(Kind of Solved) X1 Dropout Problem

I know Ive seen this posted by others, heres my situation

I have a project
20 tracks, 6 busses
(Audio and Session Drummer 64 tracks)

It will [Dropout] around the 2:20:00  every time. I can make it vary a little by changinging the "Now/Start time"
No indications of any problems in the Control bar as far as Processor, Memory Usage, etc...

This is one of many similar projects but it only occurs on this project.


Any Ideas???  (On why just this project is effected)
post edited by digi2ns - 2012/10/25 12:51:39


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    tbosco
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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 09:01:29 (permalink)
    Are you using any CPU intensive F/X...like Transient Shaper... that one gets me a lot.  Or maybe Perfect Space Reverb?

    What is different about THIS project than your others?

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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 09:27:11 (permalink)
    No difference in FX that are inserted.  

    It just started doing it all of a sudden, no reason as to why.

    Kind of has me baffled

    I gonna try a Save As and see if it doesnt change

    If not, Ill try dragging all the clips to a new project and redo all the FX


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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 09:55:24 (permalink)
    Could you possible have interference from an external service that is running?  Sometimes updates of things like antivirus software and even some internal Windows services can alter their behavior due to periodic updates.

    Maybe you can review your Windows patch history?  Take a look at services that are running and temporarily turn a few of the bigger ones that are not really needed during audio processing off?

    Otherwise, can you drop your sample rate through completion of this project?  (Or at least until you get things sort of distilled down later on - less tracks and such).  I would think if you have completed the capture of most of your audio that dropping the sample rate wouldn't really hurt you (would it?).

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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 09:56:14 (permalink)
    And, what about possibly looking at buffer size?

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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 10:00:46 (permalink)
    OK  Found some sort of reasoning to it

    The project has A LOT of slip edits 
    The setting as far as recording took place in a large barn lined with smooth hard wood.  We picked up lots of bleed on the drum kit mics requiring the slip edits.  I also used Audio snap to grab the transients and convert to midi to replace the audio with a good clean drumkit eliminating all the bleed.

    Im guessing all the slip edits and transient markers and editing was confusing and binding up the processing.

    I went in and eliminated all the slip edits back to a single audio track and the problem vanished.

    So long story short is to much was going on with editing at one time confusing the software?

    Anyway I can proceed/continue editing my drums now LOL

    Just wanted to share the info


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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 11:30:18 (permalink)
    Glad you got it sorted out and passed it along.

    Cheers!

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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 12:38:49 (permalink)
    robert_e_bone


    And, what about possibly looking at buffer size?

    Bob Bone
    Bob's right. You should check your Midi Buffer size (minimum of 500ms when you have a lot of midi going on). I know your problem is fixed, but maybe it's just because you spread some midi data out so your midi buffers could then handle the quick changes. To prevent problems in the future, do check your midi buffers. I think the default is 250.


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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 12:47:00 (permalink)
    Not sure what the buffers are set at as far as midi goes because I rarely use but with using session drummer more and more to get rid of bleed, maybe it is an issue.

    There were probably close to a 1000 slip edits on the audio tracks with fades etc... going on to work out bleed so not sure but getting rid of the heavy edits did do the trick in getting rid of the one drop out occurring at that 2:20:00  time mark.

    Since this Ive added 3 more midi tracks converting audio over and still havent had a prob.

    I have other projects with a lot more going on with Session Drummer and they are fine

    As for Background programs, EVERYTHING is killed outside of Sonar through msconfig and I dont see anything spiking on Task Manager or DPC lat 


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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 12:49:48 (permalink)
    One thing I am getting ready to do is jump from 8GB to 16GB of memory.  The I7/870 and 8 GB Mem seem to be doing great but for $75 why not do it for future expansions on builds of software and performance. 

    Looking forward to see how it betters what I do-which is mainly barn/garage recording and fix ups for band demos 


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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 12:56:58 (permalink)
    rcrees


    robert_e_bone


    And, what about possibly looking at buffer size?

    Bob Bone
    Bob's right. You should check your Midi Buffer size (minimum of 500ms when you have a lot of midi going on). I know your problem is fixed, but maybe it's just because you spread some midi data out so your midi buffers could then handle the quick changes. To prevent problems in the future, do check your midi buffers. I think the default is 250.


    Best,
    Rob
    LOL I notice your running the same system outside of the Hard Drives.  As stubborn as HPs, Dells, etc... are, mine has been good to me so far throughout all the upgrades, updates, patches, etc... since Sonar 8.0


    Looking forward to jumping to X2 or 3, Which ever I do when the time comes  




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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 14:11:22 (permalink)
    Memory is certainly friendly to audio processing.  I use 32 GB and haven't a care in the world.

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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 14:40:17 (permalink)
    Bob, my 8gb board is soooo jealous. After reading your post it may go 'on strike' ;-)

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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 15:14:19 (permalink)
    Believe it or not, Im looking forward to when all the program/software updates require me to build a new system. 

    Ive had this Dell for a few years and it keeps going along great.  If the 16GB upgrade will make it hold up a lot longer great. Im figuring a couple more years anyway or until 128bit programs are out  

    Im not big on out of the box specials like HP and Dell for stuff like this but this one has surprised me.





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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 19:43:18 (permalink)
    ...and I limp along with my 4GB....  *wimper*

    Cheers!

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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 20:30:43 (permalink)
    wizard71


    Bob, my 8gb board is soooo jealous. After reading your post it may go 'on strike' ;-)

    Bibs

    Good thing I didn't mention the 512 GB solid state drive, the multiple 2 TB SATA 6.0 gbs drives, or the liquid cooling then.  Bwa Ha Ha!


    Pity I don't know what I am doing, though....


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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 21:25:40 (permalink)
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    wizard71


    Bob, my 8gb board is soooo jealous. After reading your post it may go 'on strike' ;-)

    Bibs

    Good thing I didn't mention the 512 GB solid state drive, the multiple 2 TB SATA 6.0 gbs drives, or the liquid cooling then.  Bwa Ha Ha!


    Pity I don't know what I am doing, though....


    Bob Bone
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    I do get OCD about the little things and something like that, everything is a little thing LOL





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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 22:09:49 (permalink)
    Truthfully, 32 GB was not needed - I just knew I had ONE chance to build the best computer available,so I took it.

    I was at one of those post-wife, pre-relationship moments that just don't come around that often.

    I think I will call my system the Binford 2000, in honor of Tim Allen's caveman humor.

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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 22:12:11 (permalink)
    Binford!!!     Ohhh Ohhh Ohhhh   More POWER       


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    Re:X1 Dropout Problem 2012/10/25 22:25:46 (permalink)
    digi2ns


    rcrees


    robert_e_bone


    And, what about possibly looking at buffer size?

    Bob Bone
    Bob's right. You should check your Midi Buffer size (minimum of 500ms when you have a lot of midi going on). I know your problem is fixed, but maybe it's just because you spread some midi data out so your midi buffers could then handle the quick changes. To prevent problems in the future, do check your midi buffers. I think the default is 250.


    Best,
    Rob
    LOL I notice your running the same system outside of the Hard Drives.  As stubborn as HPs, Dells, etc... are, mine has been good to me so far throughout all the upgrades, updates, patches, etc... since Sonar 8.0


    Looking forward to jumping to X2 or 3, Which ever I do when the time comes  
    Yeah, I've been pretty lucky with Dells.  My last two I've called Dell and "Custom built" my machines based off of their base systems.  Good bang for the buck. You just have to make sure you disconnect from the internet, disable all the automatic updates and turn off all the third party start ups.  This combined with 8gigs of ram (I'm upgrading to 16 shortly) has given me a pretty sweet experience with Windows 7 and X2 all 64 bit. X2 makes even better use of the 4 cores.


    By the way, the midi buffers setting is in the Preferences/Midi section.  If you have dropout issues using Session Drummer in the future... check there.


    Best,
    Rob


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