Dave King
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Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
I want to charge up my CAD E100 mic using the phantom power on my Mackie 1604. Does the power switch have to be turned on on the 1604 for the phantom power to work, or can I just turn on the phantom power switch?
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/26 23:04:06
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I could check mine but I would assume there is a stepdown transformer from the main power switch for the 48v. Ill check back tomorrow to see what ya came up with and check mine if needed
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 06:55:20
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there would be no reason to design it so that phantom power worked without the main power on. you can't use the preamp in the mackie without the main power on, so phantom power only would be useless. so, yes, (and I have a CR1604 myself), main power must be on before phantom power can be turned on.
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 08:49:35
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mike_mccue Phantom power only wouldn't be useless. It would be ideal for charging the rechargeable NiMH battery on a CAD e100. yes, obviously the OP has a use for it so I should not have said "useless" since Dave thinks it would be helpful. regardless, I seriously doubt Mackie would want to design their phantom power for something so specific only a handful of users might find it beneficial. while some consoles might have phantom power availabe without routing a step down from the main input, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a mixer in small studios which would NOT design the phantom power tapped off the mains input. it wouldn't make economic sense. you'd likely have to have a mixer which costs >$1k to even consider separate power.
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 09:03:47
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yes, but I would never run a ribbon mic thru the mixer without going thru a dedicated preamp designed specifically for ribbons myself. this is becoming a pissing match and I'm not interested.
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 09:35:42
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mike_mccue Clean phantom power is more important with Condensers where you want the bias supplies to be as stable and ripple free as possible... while also using the 48vDC to power the on board preamp. With the ribbons, you don't have to worry about a bias. then don't use the mackie. use a dedicated preamp. One of the benefits of having an on board rechargeable battery (a.k.a. capacitor), as some condensers do, is that you reduce ripple and sag by having a local reservoir of potential. when did this become the discussion? he wanted to use the mackie's phantom power to charge the e100 without having the mains on, so he's not asking about being able to use it without mains power, is he? your statement here is only regarding why CAD would design the mic that way, which requires you to use the mic thru the preamp with the mains on. this is irrelevant to the question. I've never understood how a preamp can be specifically designed for ribbons. There is the old 1930's RCA design with the 80+dB gain... but that was also used for carbon element mics too... back then Ribbons were the hi-output mics. there are several clean preamps with 80+dB of gain which are specifically marketed toward ribbon use (grace, true systems...etc). most which are not marketed toward ribbon use are 65+dB of gain. it seems pretty straight forward to me.
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 09:45:10
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Ahhh I have the 1604 VLZ Pro Mine might be a little different. I would still assume that the main would have to be on. Anyway the pros are on it with ya LOL
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 10:25:37
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Mike - please enlighten me on the specs which might make me want to edit my post. I have not said above that a preamp which is not marketed toward ribbons or ones which do not provide 80dB of gain will not work on modern ribbons. you seem to delight in taking my words and trying to make me look stupid (I'm not the only one you do that to) and I really dislike that about you. I came in here trying to help the OP and made a simple statement which could have been worded a little better and you've taken the discussion into a completely different direction. I stand by my statement that if you want to use a ribbon mic, use a dedicated preamp, not one on the mackie. there are many reasons why this would be a good idea and you've already stated most of them including phantom power which is not as clean as it would be in a dedicated preamp. (so why continue arguing about it?) I personally don't care about active ribbon mics myself and I don't own any. Again, I don't really even see how this point is relevent to the issue except as a tangent to the original question. You can look up your mics current specifications and quickly learn that the Mackie may only have sufficient power to power 2, 3 maybe 4 contemporary servo balanced transformer less phantom powered mics. That info can be useful if you find your self looking at all 16 microphone inputs and wondering how many of them can provide quality phantom power to your mics. This is another good reason why the idea of a rechargeable NiMH battery (a.k.a Capacitor) on the mic seems like an interesting idea.
how is that relevant? what does the total power available for the phantom power have to do with whether or not he can chage the e100 with the mackie with main power off? or even with main power on what does it have to do with anything? again - he's not talking about USING the mic if he wants the main power of the mackie OFF, so he shouldn't have a bunch of mics connected - just the e100 since he's not USING the mackie's pres. personally I don't leave my mics connected when I'm not using them - they get put away. but that's just me.
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 11:39:38
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thank you for the psych eval, but I didn't ask for it.
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 12:15:50
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LOL You guys are way beyond me. Im just one of those plug and play kind of guys. Im a really simple kinda person Not sure about all the specs and makings of it and as far as mics Im LOST. I was hoping to be able to help seeing I had a Mackie 1604 if needed. No prob, hope I didnt come across wrong
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Dave King
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 12:50:54
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Hi Guys, Thanks for the info! Sorry to see this thread got a bit sidelined. Anyway, it makes sense that the main power has to be on in order for the phantom power to work. This was my guess too, so I left my mixer on all night with phantom power on to recharge the bat in the E100. I haven't used this mic in a looooong time and wanted to give it a boost before using it over the weekend. Gonna experiment using the E100 in m/s configuration with a Shure KSM44. Seems like they should compliment each other pretty well. For m/s recording, does it matter much if both mics are going through similar or same preamps? My options are: Mackie 1604 pres Golden Age Pre73 (Single Channel) Grace 101 (Single Channel) Thanks.
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Dave King
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/27 13:52:41
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Hi Dave, you could say it does and explain how the M get's mixed with the +S or -S to make a L or R. Or, you could say it doesn't and explain how the M get's mixed with the +S or -S to make a L or R. I generally just use two matching preamp channels but if I was to purposefully use different preamps I might try to use the pre with with a nice high frequency response for the sides and the pre amp with the nicest sounding bass emphasis on the mid and see how that works out as that is the same type of approach I apply to the microphone selection. best regards, mike That all makes a lot of sense. Thanks!
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Re:Mackie 1604 Phantom Power
2012/10/30 14:19:01
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The Grace is probably the most transparent of your three preamp choices (I have two of the M101 500 series) and this is from a SOS review on the Golden Age Pre73: “and the aim of presenting a warm, vintage sound that’s musically attractive has been met extremely well. Indeed, it’s difficult to recommend anything else in this price range when it comes to ‘mic amps of character’ —“ I like the CAD E100 (I bought mine in the 90’s when they were first introduced) but it is in my opinion very slightly harsh sounding … (I don’t own a KSM44 so I can’t compare the two directly). That said, I would try the more colored pre on the CAD. So, maybe try the Golden Age Pre73 on the mid-mic (your CAD) and the Grace on the side-mic (your Shure).
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