Drum map note audition problem Never to be solved

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2012/10/30 14:50:12 (permalink)

Drum map note audition problem Never to be solved

  If I am working on a drum track using a drum map and I select say, quantize and audition the effect before committing, I see midi data on the meter but no sound. The track plays fine otherwise. I remember having this problem in 5. Am I missing something? I just don't understand why it won't play.
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    xxxsoundxxx
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/10/30 15:43:57 (permalink)
    I've found this only occurs when I am using a drum map. The synth preview out is set to SD3 and if I remove the drum map audition works. Something must be set to where audition won't play with a drum map in. Anybody know the fix to this?Like I said 5 did this to me also so it must be a setting???. I was going to call cake with this but their page says the number is 888-CAKEWALK That is 11 digits doesn't it need to be 10? My phone says invalid number!
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/10/31 01:52:54 (permalink)
    Anybody tried this with drum maps?

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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/10/31 02:22:56 (permalink)
    IIRC I think it might be a Session Drummer thing rather than drum maps. I think I had the same thing with SD3 but my hardware drums played back okay, I'll try later when I get into my studio.

    If you can't audition a soft synth it's also worth checking that the audio engine is turned on. It's the icon at the bottom left of the transport display window.
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/10/31 07:58:07 (permalink)
    Thank you for the reply. This used to happen before I used session drummer.(Battery1 sonar 4&5) I don't think it is the audio engine but I will check. If I take the drum map off/on audition works/doesn't work with it. (unless it turns itself off/on every time I'll check) As I have said, I feel like it is a output routing issue with drum map maybe. As you know, you can select what audition previews through and somehow drum maps stop the flow but I cannot figure out what to change. I looked into this years ago and gave up using process/undo as a workaround. I really like using drum maps so I can have tracks where I want with them labeled & in the order like I want and not worry about durations etc., but this is really a bummer!

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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/10/31 08:46:04 (permalink)
    It may be a soft synth issue but I'm not sure exactly what you're hearing (or not) should I say.

    I can audition notes in a drum map from the drum map manager if the note is assigned to hardware but not a softsynth, neither SD3 or TTS-1.

    However if I select a clip and audition that then it does audition as expected, both hardware and softsynths hits.

    To conclude the bug seems to relate to auditioning a row within the drum map manager and only if it's assigned to a soft synth.
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/10/31 13:47:50 (permalink)
    Thanks Karl. I am trying to audition in "piano roll view" with a drum map (Where the notes look like a point kinda like the state of Iowa)I don't know if that is what you mean by row within drum map manager or not.I don't have the drum map manager open, just piano roll view. I wonder if it is a bug.Like I said this has been (not) doing this since producer 5 for sure. I think it is strange no one else has complained! I mean it is pretty common to simply be using a drum map and edit in piano roll(drums) then want to audition quantitize or something before committing. It drives me nuts this should just work! Let me ask when you work on soft synth drums do you use drum maps or other? I want to be able to reach more than one kit using one track if necessary and have them show up in the order I want labeled like I want no durations. I thought drum maps were the way to go but people must be using some other method because surely they would have been stonewalled by this problem also. Drum maps are easy for the drummer to see and understand when editing!
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 02:54:09 (permalink)
    I didn't try in the PRV I'll give that a whirl but it wouldn't surprise me if it's related to the drum map "non audition" bug.

    I use drum maps an awful lot but mainly use hardware drums. Drum maps are a great feature but they do need a little TLC not least the actual editor.

    I'll check the PRV later and let you know what happens here but I haven't noticed it before.
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 05:02:43 (permalink)
    This might be related to the fact that when you set the output of a synth to a drum map, you lose the ability to Mute/Solo either the Midi track OR the Audio track and the other associated track does not get Muted or Soloed with it.

    Inserting a Drum Map seems to break the connection.

    This has been going on since at least 8.5

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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 10:01:41 (permalink)
    I know it did it to me with 5. I am surprised this hasn't been "fixed". Or more so more people haven't complained. I mean a lot of people use drum maps,process effects and want to audition them first right?

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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 11:53:54 (permalink)
    This is what I received from Cake Tech: "This is happening because you have the output of this track set to a drum map. If you set it to your Microsoft Wavetable Synth or another synthesizer then you will be able to hear the preview within the quantize view." I knew that already but it seems you can't audition with a drum map. BUMMER. Everytime you want to audition an effect you have to switch to piano roll view (pain). That Sux. Talk about the hard way to do something easy.

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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 12:49:41 (permalink)
    I thought I'd replied to this.....very strange.

    Anyway I've been working this afternoon with a drum map assigned to Session Drummer using the drum pane in the PRV.

    I could audition drum sounds by clicking on the drum name in the drum name pane and by selecting notes and pressing Shift + Spacebar. Where you referring to something else though?

    One thought is the audio engine. Is that definitely running? If it drops out you won't hear notes from softsynths unless you press playback.

    To stop it dropping out go to Prefs---->Audio---->Playback & Recording and check "Play effect tails after stopping" that should fix it.

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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 13:12:03 (permalink)
    Audio engine definitely running. I am only lassoing notes (select) and then process effect/quantitize/ audition button = nada Take the drum map off and works fine. I am not clicking on the drum name just selecting notes. Why would you hit shift+spacebar?

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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 13:14:10 (permalink)
    Why would you hit shift+spacebar?

    Shortcut for audition.
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 13:24:54 (permalink)
    Oh sorry I don't have all my shortcuts memorized yet! Have you tried this just hitting the audition button? According to cake tech (posted above you can't audition when in a drum map. You have to take it off and rout the output to the synth. GRRR.

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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 17:09:52 (permalink)
    I haven't tried auditioning via the quantize dialogue. I'll give that a whirl later but the selection audition definitely works although drum map row audition doesn't.
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 17:36:13 (permalink)
    Just tried the audition from the quantize dialogue and no it doesn't work with soft synths in a drum map. Seems there's several inconsistencies there.
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/01 20:30:08 (permalink)
    "I'll give that a whirl later but the selection audition definitely works although drum map row audition doesn't." I don't understand what is "selection" and "row" audition?

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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/02 02:57:06 (permalink)
    If you make a selection of notes in the PRV or a clip in the TV you can press Shift+space to audition them, that works with a drum map okay.

    In the drum map manager the same key press is supposed to audition the current row, that works with hardware drums but not soft synths.
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    Re:Audition effects button work ok? 2012/11/26 23:03:18 (permalink)
    After much misunderstanding Cake tech following my instructions and set up exactly were able to re create this problem (been going on since producer 5) Yay!! I just am amazed this hasn't really bothered more. It seems a common thing to use a drum map and then want to audition in drum veiw. Perhaps some day I will be able to if fixed!!!!

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