Automation curves ignored during bounce

hmm... I'd like to hear about this more as I've never done a bounce yet and I'm not sure I'd notice right away whether the fades were applied. That could really crew things up.

Could you please describe exactly what is happening?

And welcome to the forum.

never had that problem either... is read automation button on??? that's all i can think of. 

Works fine here as well, in all versions of Sonar I've ever used.

Thanks for all the answers.
I meant "track automation". Automation plays back just fine in the cwp. Track automation is checked for the bounce, but either completely ignored or produces strange effects. I've had the problem since 8.5. Have to convert the curves to MIDI in order to get what I want.

JW.

Kontakt 4 and 5, ARIA, sfz. No Iam not freezing the track first.

Is this a simple instrument track or split Midi/Audio?

If SIT, try splitting and see what happens

All I'm doing is automating CC11 in a MIDI track, there is no audio in the entire cwp. The channels are assigned correctly in the inspector:
C 1 Kontakt 4 and C 2 Kontakt 4. The tracks play back correctly before bouncing. I have been doing this for 20 years and never come across something like this.

The MIDI track is driving a softsynth, Kontakt 4, it is a simple instrument track.

aha! well, that's the problem. with kontakt, when you map a midi cc number it does not differentiate between channels.  so, if you have say sax section in channel one and trombone section in channel two if you map midi cc 11 to "sound" on the sax section and the trombone section, kontakt only maps the cc number without distinction in channel. so, when you run automation on both it gets confused and doesn't know how to handle it.  what has to happen is map the parameter you want to control to a nrpn host automation number, and the other parameter to a diff nrpn number,  assign the automation envelopes accordingly by selecting nrpn instead of midi in the automation.  a bit confusing, i know, but because kontakt does not make differentiations between channel numbers in automation, it is the only way to do it.  as an example, i inserted sax section and trombone section.  for sax section i clicked on auto/host automation and dragged host par 11 to the sound knob.  on the trombone section i did the same thing only dragging host par 12 to the sound section.  then for each midi track i inserted automation/midi/NRPN 011 and 012 to the appropriate settings.  

hope this helps! cheers.

ive found it more than practical (then again 20 years ago i thought it was fun to use power tools for control voltage in moog modulars ;D). the only way kontakt will play back cc number automation of the same cc number doing different things in different patches is if you have the nkis in an instrument bank. because any time you open kontakt and look at the assignments for midi automation there is no setting to split channel for a cc number.  

so i guess i'm confused now.  
you have kontakt on a simple instrument track. you have more than one instrument inserted into kontakt. you have midi cc#11 controlling multiple parameters on each instrument in kontakt - one on channel one and one on channel 2.  you have two automation curves on the simple instrument track - one mapped to cc11 on channel 1 and another mapped to cc11 on channel 2. the automation envelopes for each contain different data, nodes and slopes.  if that's incorrect let me know. is there any way you can provide a screenshot??

so i'm curious now about how you assigned the midi ccs to kontakt... did you midi learn them??

Bristol I think he's on X1. I don't know if that option is available in X1.

@grem - yeah it's available - even as far back as home studio 7 the first cake product i bought in 20 years. 
i think it's not a simple instrument track.... i'm getting the feeling it's like this... 
here's a link to the full-size pics: https://picasaweb.google.com/arvid.peterson/SonarShots?authuser=0&feat=directlink
kontakt setup...




automation setup...




and the automation DOES work on both channels - I'VE NEVER EVER GOTTEN THAT TO WORK BEFORE! SO THANKS!!!! :D


bounce track (select audio out plus all midi tracks - see blue squares in folder and audio/midi lanes)




and finally, make sure fx/synth automation is checked and all the bus options are unchecked and all the "R" buttons on each track are on (in white)
 



that should work.